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mr_lebowski

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21. That definition does not define 'collusion' as inherently illegal ...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:45 PM
Jun 2017

IOW one reason an action COULD be logically called 'collusion' ... is BECAUSE it's 'inherently illegal' ... but it doesn't work the other way round. 'Involving Secrecy' .... is another definition, you see?

The problem here, for US ... is proving exactly 'what statute' ... would literally make it illegal for Trumps people ... to ask Russians to help them win the election ... esp. if it couldn't be proven Trumps people knew what specific illegal 'acts' were to be undertaken in that effort.

However, if it could be proven that a 'bribe' was offered, of any kind (including but not limited to removal of sanctions), in exchange for KNOWN illegal activity like breaking into a secured computer network ... that probably gets us into the realm of actual illegal collusion.

But it could be very hard to prove, esp. if we have to prove Trump ORDERED his people to make such an offer, and knew he was 'paying' for a law to be broken.

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Get set, Get ready......... gordianot Jun 2017 #1
Whoops, that's the tell. He or at least the campaign *did* collude; The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #2
Has to be it. Guilty is good. Guilty's not guilty. Hortensis Jun 2017 #11
Good; then lets get foreign governments who hate Trump help Dems in the 2018 mid terms Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #3
Calling all leaders who've had their hands crushed by Trump leftstreet Jun 2017 #5
Unreal jberryhill Jun 2017 #4
col.lu.sion leftstreet Jun 2017 #6
That definition does not define 'collusion' as inherently illegal ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #21
Well, it certainly looks like everyone got the memo. procon Jun 2017 #7
Well I guess there is no crime called "collusion" marylandblue Jun 2017 #8
republican propaganda pimps OK with treason against USA Achilleaze Jun 2017 #9
I wonder if they flipped Flynn? njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #10
Maybe. Flynn offered to flip himself in return for not going Hortensis Jun 2017 #13
Flynn flip would also make it hard for the rump to fire mueller njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #16
That's what I thought... iamateacher Jun 2017 #12
Great minds think alike njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #14
Treason is not so bad either Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #15
+1 AgadorSparticus Jun 2017 #42
Next up: "Isn't murder really just population control?" Squinch Jun 2017 #17
+1 AgadorSparticus Jun 2017 #43
It is a crime which is why it is being investigated by the FBI...quid pro quo... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #18
And where are the liberal talking heads? Why aren't they IMMEDIATELY disputing this bullshit? Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #19
America First! Cosmocat Jun 2017 #20
Despite any other law genxlib Jun 2017 #22
From the US Code of Laws: kentuck Jun 2017 #23
He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother Orrex Jun 2017 #24
Shades of Nixon, only on steroids meow2u3 Jun 2017 #25
They've been saying that for a while underpants Jun 2017 #26
Yup wryter2000 Jun 2017 #27
He didn't know collusion was a bad thing ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #28
Good thing for us Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #29
I am a law nerd and it is clear that collusion is against the law Gothmog Jun 2017 #30
it's called 'whistling past the graveyard' spanone Jun 2017 #31
More alternative facts? 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #32
They are trying to own the narrative, as usual. RedSpartan Jun 2017 #33
IOKIYAR Crunchy Frog Jun 2017 #34
OMG, please make it stop. KatyaR Jun 2017 #35
Republican meme: Russia is our friend. keithbvadu2 Jun 2017 #36
And if Benedict Arnold did collude with the British, so what? Is that even a crime? nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #37
Yeah, Trump can say that as they cuff him and cart him off to his luxury prison cell. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #38
Yup they have to keep it simple for their simpleton base Brainfodder Jun 2017 #39
Meanwhile ... Barry Goldwater is spinning in his grave. lpbk2713 Jun 2017 #40
"Collusion" is a business term. A political term might be "Electoral Fraud." Even "Coup d'Etat." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #41
If you drive the get away car, driving isn't the crime. LOL Deplorables are so *ucking stupid. nt Snotcicles Jun 2017 #44
Trump's People at their FBI interviews alcibiades_mystery Jun 2017 #45
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