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Corvo Bianco

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31. Right, flirty approval is pretty commonplace between men and women, even in professional
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jun 2017

environments. Most normal human beings try to be nice and express approval of our colleagues. Laugh at their jokes, support their ideas, compliment their new skirt (I'm a woman and that is perfectly appropriate to me).

But many men express their approval of their female cohorts by saying, with words or with glances, "I am man. You are woman. I like." It is as if these men believe she walked out the door waiting to bask his approval of her woman-ness. OR, her womanity is the only attribute he deems useful to him, thus the only attribute he notices.

But being liked for being a woman (nice smile), and nothing else, denies the value of her intellect, her worries, her joys, her humanity. When I was confiding in a male friend about the sickening, belittling experience of being asked how much I cost, he agreed it was horrible, then consoled me by saying "that's a compliment it means you're pretty". Being an object isn't a compliment. Knowing your thoughts don't mean very much means your words don't mean very much which means you have no power. That's scary, not exciting.

I know women and men (or any potential sexmates) can't help flirting with each other at times. It is a damn natural way to confess that someone is delighting you. And it feels good for both parties if the footing is equal, the will is good, and the feeling is more or less mutual. The problem is that flirting from a position of power isn't flirting, it's not flattering, it's legitimately threatening because the only way out is a confrontation that will injure his pride and cost you your job. So there's no way out.

Scary, don't flirt with your subordinates! (Message for the world)

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He is a sexual predator plain and simple. DK504 Jun 2017 #1
I would have found that very unsettling if it had happened to me. Arkansas Granny Jun 2017 #12
I think it is creepy per se. Only creepy old men would do something like that. SweetieD Jun 2017 #2
Yep! can anyone imagine Pres. Obama doing that? Talking like that? Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #18
It's creepy...as woman in a corporate environement.. HipChick Jun 2017 #3
Sorry, but it is inherently creepy TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #4
Yeah she kind of looks like someone underpants Jun 2017 #5
Yeah, there's that too TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #8
Wow. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #10
Oh, please-- You can't even see enough of her face to make a comparison whathehell Jun 2017 #40
actually, when she turns around. you can. niyad Jun 2017 #45
Wasn't he on a call with a foreign leader? octoberlib Jun 2017 #6
Yes! The newly elected GAY Irish Prime Minister. Which makes it doubly inappropriate. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #42
Agreed. I bet he sexually harasses every woman in his orbit. octoberlib Jun 2017 #50
"Someone calling a woman over and complimenting her smile isn't inherently creepy per se." WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #7
When someone in power does that when the woman is a professional doing her job, it IS tblue37 Jun 2017 #47
In a business context not creepy if he said the same to men delisen Jun 2017 #9
Right, flirty approval is pretty commonplace between men and women, even in professional Corvo Bianco Jun 2017 #31
excellent. niyad Jun 2017 #46
well said n/t KT2000 Jun 2017 #51
She is a professional doing a job. It is wrong. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #11
I disagree. Kali Jun 2017 #13
I think calling her over makes it extra creepy NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #14
Public disrespect for his "wife" Melania Achilleaze Jun 2017 #15
+1 narnian60 Jun 2017 #54
Saying this is creepy only because we have a recording of other terrible things he has said is WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #16
Thank you! TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #22
Imagine Pres. Obama doing that! As a woman I know what he meant and can see/feel the sleaziness Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #17
Not creepy but inappropriate in a professional setting n/t Blaukraut Jun 2017 #19
Um no , there is no question that it is smarmy/creepy even if it is complementary. m-lekktor Jun 2017 #20
Um, yes, there CAN be a question because whathehell Jun 2017 #33
Isn't "creepy" always a matter of subjective opinion? TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #58
Yes, and that's why it's always up for question.. whathehell Jun 2017 #61
Based on a lifetime of experience TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #62
Based on my lifetime of experience (67 years) whathehell Jun 2017 #63
Nah. It's skeezy. Solly Mack Jun 2017 #21
He singled out a woman who was in a professional situation with other members of Squinch Jun 2017 #23
"essentially, culled from the herd.""reduce her to an object for inspection." pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #30
It is comforting to know so many of you DUers aren't OK with singling out women for public oggling. Corvo Bianco Jun 2017 #34
Welcome! Squinch Jun 2017 #39
I totally agree with you. He culled her to demean her. nt CozyMystery Jun 2017 #53
I saw a young woman who was working at Starbucks this morning. Iggo Jun 2017 #24
And if you called her over while others were watching and she had no ability to Squinch Jun 2017 #25
As far as I'm concerned, there's no way to do that respectfully while she's at work. Iggo Jun 2017 #28
I was in a lot of service jobs getting through college. There were some regular customers who Squinch Jun 2017 #32
LOL...I get ya. Iggo Jun 2017 #35
And that is really interesting, too. I am a woman of the same age. Squinch Jun 2017 #37
It's disrespectful and unprofessional - that's more important than being creepy HopeAgain Jun 2017 #26
He made her an object for appraisal leftstreet Jun 2017 #27
It's always creepy. The level of creepiness may depend on The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #29
Nah it is a classically creepy act. A trope of piggery. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #36
Trump is a narcissistic sack of $hit. He can't even give his full attention to the phone call. mnhtnbb Jun 2017 #38
I get the feeling that Trump had to flaunt his "masculinity" in front of the new Irish PM who smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #43
I didn't think of that. You are probably right. Nt. SweetieD Jun 2017 #49
I hadn't thought of that, either TeapotInATempest Jun 2017 #59
He's all about domination, whether it's a man or a woman. This way, he got himself smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Jun 2017 #41
he is disgusting. and, as others have pointed out, that reporter is almost an ivanka clone. niyad Jun 2017 #44
What a creep. Ive worked with/for men like him. Back in Luz Jun 2017 #48
It's one of those "consider the source" moments. Miles Archer Jun 2017 #52
No. It is creepy per se in anything other than a casual setting with people you know well, Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #55
creepy per se, reminiscent of "you got nice teeth" nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #56
Sorry, but it sounds creepy all by itself Orrex Jun 2017 #57
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