General Discussion

still_one

(98,883 posts)

52. That is exactly right RB. Pushing a bill through with out dealing with issues such a financing,

Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:31 PM

Jun 2017

delivery of care, cost controls, and how much federal funding we will get is critical, and part of that concerns the fate of the ACA, the subsidies, expanded Medicaid, and other sources of funds that the feds supply to the states. That money will be used to help finance this bill, plus tax payers dollars.

The worst thing that can happen is pushing something through without addressing the costs adequately so it fails. That is what happened in Vermont. They had a Single payer bill reach the Governor, only to be vetoed because they did not have adequate financing to make it work.

The California bill was put on hold. It is still alive. It was not killed.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

60 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

We can't even get our party behind a single payer system [View all] SHRED Jun 2017 OP

That is at least partially because.... Adrahil Jun 2017 #1

That is why California is a good place to start SHRED Jun 2017 #4

Don't disagree.... Adrahil Jun 2017 #9

Hard to do... SHRED Jun 2017 #11

Even harder since state legislatures have limited abilities to affect Medicare. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #49

It's about the money zipplewrath Jun 2017 #2

You hit the nail on the head. It isn't as simple as waving a magic wand. tonyt53 Jun 2017 #5

Not at the state level zipplewrath Jun 2017 #6

Too bad voters aren't willing to pay comradebillyboy Jun 2017 #3

Oh, they would/will zipplewrath Jun 2017 #7

I'm going to suggest that Warren will be a far better advocate for SP than Sanders was... brooklynite Jun 2017 #21

SHRED please research before posting things like that in the future because if cstanleytech Jun 2017 #8

And shelving this bill does what? SHRED Jun 2017 #10

It gives them time to work on it and fix the problems unless you think rushing through things like cstanleytech Jun 2017 #12

So a "shelved" bill will be worked on? SHRED Jun 2017 #13

Only that incarnation of it. cstanleytech Jun 2017 #19

Some people would rather throw up stuff rather than painfully think through and resolve each major Blue_true Jun 2017 #39

+1000, and that's exactly what happened here. It was an incomplete bill and forced R B Garr Jun 2017 #41

That is exactly right RB. Pushing a bill through with out dealing with issues such a financing, still_one Jun 2017 #52

This would be an enormous accomplishment for a state. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #14

If California had universal health care... yallerdawg Jun 2017 #15

The same thing that keeps people from moving to Canada? NobodyHere Jun 2017 #17

When I move to California, I'm still a US citizen. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #22

You can't just move to Canada SHRED Jun 2017 #26

Employment. Housing. Family. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #24

51,000,000 uninsured in 2026? yallerdawg Jun 2017 #27

I don't see the issue. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #33

It WILL be the homeless, jobless and disabled. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #37

Homeless, jobless, with the possibility of insurance is not an opportunity... NCTraveler Jun 2017 #38

Same thing that keeps a lot of people out of CA now: HeartachesNhangovers Jun 2017 #31

housing costs JI7 Jun 2017 #44

Please - it wasn't killed. It was put on hold. A lot of the funding was dependent on Medicaid... haele Jun 2017 #16

What's needed is facts and a plan. rogue emissary Jun 2017 #18

There is no way to fund it . Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20

WRONG! CA Assemblyman Speaker Rendon counters Bernie Sanders/fans with ACTUAL FACTS: R B Garr Jun 2017 #23

Thank you! Facts matter people. Stop bashing Dems. bettyellen Jun 2017 #30

I rather have a public option. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #25

Yes, it seems Dems are against (or at least not for) single payer healthcare... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #28

bwahahaha, yes, Wall Street stopped this bill in California.... R B Garr Jun 2017 #32

Reading comprehension.... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #34

Your post is not about single payer actually working. R B Garr Jun 2017 #36

++++++++ JHan Jun 2017 #45

That is exactly why single payer failed in Vermont, because when it reached the Governor's office still_one Jun 2017 #53

Democrats are not against single payer...I think it would be great. But it won't work Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #42

'Taxes' is not a valid argument against single payer... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #46

Many if not most Americans disagree with you NobodyHere Jul 2017 #60

From the Greek... Binkie The Clown Jun 2017 #29

It won't happen until our current system completely collapses. alarimer Jun 2017 #35

I a so sick of this sort of talk...do you have any idea how many would die if this were to happen. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #43

The failure of the system as it exists now is INEVITABLE. alarimer Jun 2017 #56

No is not...Switzerland has insurance companies...and it won't fail. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #59

Most people get insurance through their employer leftstreet Jun 2017 #47

Yes, for years they've shifted costs to us. alarimer Jun 2017 #57

I think we need to save the ACA first Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #40

California could have set a course that G_j Jun 2017 #48

A Democrat pointed out that the bill was not ready to sign because it didn't R B Garr Jun 2017 #50

Not just CA, but it couldn't be done in the home of the loudest and most vociferous spokesman for... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #51

It isn't dead in California, it is on hold. They have to see how much federal funding will be still_one Jun 2017 #54

We can get to universal care with a Medicare expansion without single payer La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Jun 2017 #58