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In reply to the discussion: (CNN) Sen. Bernie Sanders : 'Democratic brand is pretty bad' [View all]
Ninsianna
(1,354 posts)257. Well, he failed to win votes, or lead the people he was preaching to, so what should we be
listening to exactly? His broken promises about how he'd remain within the party? His attacks on the party itself? His endorsements which betray the very principles of progressive politics?
Seems like many were listening to him and learning how to guarantee that the disinformation campaigns did their job and allowing the GOP to hang on to power at every level.
And these "operatives", why should we be listening to them, when they were also FEC rules violating juggernauts who never figured out how to market a message that didn't end up being damaging. They should perhaps learn some things about how fund raising works and how the laws surrounding it work before they try to teach.
Have the filings been corrected yet? Why do these operatives not know the basics about how to do their jobs, put together a coherent message, and marshal their followers?
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Ryan would be a terrible house leader as he is in a red state and would be forced to
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#254
Well...I am not in favor of independents running as Democrats to begin with for president.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#262
You forgot the eyeroll smiley. That completes the avoidance of answering the question
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#172
It's probably time for the admins to revisit the TOS with regards to Bernie
stevenleser
Jun 2017
#196
I am forced to agree...but I don't think bashing Bernie would be correct either...for better or
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#208
Tax returns and speech are two different animals, but evident in Sanders mass demand. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#143
He never misses a chance to bash the Dems. Who needs enemies with these kind of friends.
brush
Jun 2017
#131
redumbliCONs lineup like lemmings, regardless of the failings of their candidate,
democratisphere
Jun 2017
#5
Republican voters are motivated simply by rage, while Democrats feel the need to be in love. (nt)
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#175
And which party controls all 3 branches of government now? This is part of how they got there. n/t
pnwmom
Jun 2017
#123
And that is why the Republicans own the entire government...Democrats should
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#186
If anyone on DU talked like BS about Dems, they'd be alerted as violating TOS, and with good reason.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#94
I don't know how long that can last if he keeps attacking the Democratic Party...yeah
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#187
The op quotes Sanders as saying that the Democratuc brand is worse than the Trump brand in many area
Voltaire2
Jun 2017
#56
He's been an independent for a year or so. He was a dem for a year or so prior.
boston bean
Jun 2017
#98
Note that he has changed criticizing the "millionaire class" to the "billionaire class"
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#168
Bet we won't be seeing her on Joy Reid anymore. What an opportunist. She saw a way to sell books.
brush
Jun 2017
#132
So why does he bash Democrats so much? It seems that anyone who dissents from him in any way
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#177
Right on! You got to give Bernie credit. He speaks the truth, trying to show Democrats the light...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2017
#74
Well he won the election and was so angry he completely screwed us on health care...now who thought
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#191
What does it say about him that he won't join the party except for cred to run for President? (nt)
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#166
It's a shame, & bad strategy, to throw Bernie - a decent, honest, TRUE progressive - under the bus.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2017
#75
So we should all be pleased when he throws the Dem Party under the bus every chance he gets?
brush
Jun 2017
#158
People who throw the democratic party under the bus are not aligned with the democratic party
Fresh_Start
Jun 2017
#198
For that matter, spamming (eg posting the same thing 3 times in 1 thread)
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2017
#92
Bernie is continually bashing Democrats. He is highly inflammatory in this respect.
Demit
Jun 2017
#204
It's infinitely better than the GOP brand or the anything-goes Independent brand.
pnwmom
Jun 2017
#24
Well, it was a big reason,but that is the law.We need a whole lot of winning before that will change
Alice11111
Jun 2017
#30
What if Hillary won by 5 million votes -- but lost the EC? Or she won by 10 million and still lost?
pnwmom
Jun 2017
#40
Right. The voting rights act expired after Obama's re-election, so voter suppression was a
pnwmom
Jun 2017
#38
ANOTHER half truth, GA-6 was gerrymandered !!! Getting with double digits is damn near impossible
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#103
He has a better feel of the pulse of the country than most do, like Michael Moore. Thanks for
Alice11111
Jun 2017
#26
...and many other reasons.A failure to be introspective &analyze will lead to more losses &stolen
Alice11111
Jun 2017
#34
We have done some incredible stuff &have some incredible leaders, but we need to get better.
Alice11111
Jun 2017
#37
We 100% disagree, he's chasing the mythical WWCV instead of spending time in suburban Latino GA
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#104
"It's fine to disagree about what we should do next, but why do it in public?"
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2017
#55
Yes, its the equivalent of saying shit stinks and doesn't add to the conversation in full context...
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#105
He himself lost the primary . I don't get why his brand is treated as an alleged oracle
lunasun
Jun 2017
#115
Right !!! Leaving out the fact that there are more areas we can do better in and get more voters tha
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#107
Maybe someday Dem 'leadership' will start listening to Sanders and address the things he spoke of...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#99
Like trying to reach out to the mythical WWCV when the dem base is being suppressed?!!? REALLY?!!1?
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#108
IMHO - The dems started and continue to lose when they got so cozy with corporate america
ciaobaby
Jun 2017
#117
Women and minorities -- the groups of voters that vote most consistently for Democrats.
pnwmom
Jun 2017
#125
The Democratic brand is the only brand that has progressed us forward all these decades.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#136
No mention of getting rid of e-voting machines, gerrymandering or voter purging etc
judesedit
Jun 2017
#138
No, not from the Fed level so much because States are given the Constitutional rights to
vkkv
Jun 2017
#144
Really, such examination doomed us in 16...how long do some folks want to lose...until every
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#209
So.. ignore the problems.. keep head in sand.. don't rock the boat.. be a 'yes' man..
vkkv
Jun 2017
#222
Bernie Became The Greatest Online Fundraiser In Political History. How's Trump working out 4 U ??
vkkv
Jun 2017
#212
I fully agree, but Dems have often made themselves easy targets OF the GOP and Media at
vkkv
Jun 2017
#260
There is a right way and a wrong way to criticize, his comment was bashing. He keeps talking...
George II
Jun 2017
#241
If that's the case, Senator Sanders, then please find yourself a party whose "brand" you like, okay?
George II
Jun 2017
#180
There is no correct way to sell it...in our history no candidate has been elected who said he would
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#207
A lie couched in a truth. Like much of what Sanders says. Context is everything. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2017
#195
Are you surprised that he sometimes doesn't tell the truth? Politifact says 28% of what he says
stevenleser
Jun 2017
#211
Bernie Became The Greatest Online Fundraiser In Political History. So, why not listen to him?
vkkv
Jun 2017
#215
We have listened to Sanders insult and attack Democrats for a long time.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#216
The Democratic base listened to Sanders ideas and policies and rejected him. Yes. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#221
You might want to do research. Sanders free college was a fail and he adopted her and
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#225
How you have shifted the conversation. I have paid college tuition for kids.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#227
That sounds like a lot more opinion than fact. I'm not buying your 'argument'. nt
vkkv
Jun 2017
#228
Well, he failed to win votes, or lead the people he was preaching to, so what should we be
Ninsianna
Jun 2017
#257
The democratic brand is so bad, Hillary won the national vote by just 3 million.
DetlefK
Jun 2017
#251