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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
108. Yes, it is
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:09 PM
Jun 2017

Here's an article that might help you understand the issue:

It’s Time for Intersectionality to Include the Jews

For the last several days, leftist activist Linda Sarsour has dominated my Facebook feed. In an interview with The Nation, Sarsour insinuated that the feminist movement ought to exclude Zionists. The interview has stoked a larger conversation about the leadership positions of people like Sarsour, who has long advocated for economic warfare (BDS) against Israel, and Rasmea Odeh, a convicted terrorist who actively participated in the murder of two Jewish students at Hebrew University, in intersectional justice movements in America.

Yet again, progressive Jewish activists have been left wondering whether or not we have a place in those movements. We dealt with some of the same questions after the Movement for Black Lives came out with its own platform that falsely accused Israel of “genocide,” and we will undoubtedly confront these issues many times in the future. At the end of the day, however, no matter what the Sarsours of the world say, Jewish issues do belong in the intersectional justice movement. That’s because anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are both serious intersectional problems, and any truly intersectional movement ought to tackle them.

The problem is not intersectional theory. It’s intersectional activists who fail to adhere to it.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/227837/its-time-for-intersectionality-to-include-the-jews

That last sentence of the excerpt is the key to the point I am making. The problem is not the concept - the problem is that people define it however they want to define it. In the case of the issues raised in the OP, it is with relation to excluding Jews.

At least try to be open minded enough to understand how this all ties together.

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Chicago Dyke March Official Statement on 2017 March and Solidarity with Palestine Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #1
Basically ANY JEW WHO LOVES ISRAEL IS NOT WELCOME !! Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #2
no ANY Jew who has pride about being Jewish isn't welcome. mucifer Jun 2017 #11
Youre right. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #16
Or just any Jew marybourg Jun 2017 #15
"Zionism is an inherently white-supremacist ideology." Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #5
I'm sure white supremacists cabot Jun 2017 #20
Well I for one am glad for this statement Sgent Jun 2017 #8
i'm half tempted to post a speech by Hitler Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2017 #32
Apparently anti-semitism is of no concern to the dyke march organizers. stevenleser Jun 2017 #36
(Posted below.) WinkyDink Jun 2017 #40
The statement changed several times oberliner Jun 2017 #84
Let me get this straight cabot Jun 2017 #3
Its disgusting. "Tolerance" only if you're exactly what they want you to be. 7962 Jun 2017 #6
Probably not cabot Jun 2017 #10
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #60
I need to read more on this to comment intelligently, but my gut reaction is sadness. LisaM Jun 2017 #101
If seeing a Jewish star "triggers" you, you've got serious problems with real life. 7962 Jun 2017 #4
Agreed cabot Jun 2017 #7
I'm a Chicago Jew who is not a zionist. mucifer Jun 2017 #9
Actually...you do get it. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #12
Because they are ignorant morons cabot Jun 2017 #13
Bigotry creates blindspots. boston bean Jun 2017 #19
I don't know how old you are leftynyc Jun 2017 #48
THIS! grossproffit Jun 2017 #66
Palestinians should have access to water. mucifer Jun 2017 #79
Absolutely oberliner Jun 2017 #85
Anti-Zionist opposition to the existence of the State of Israel. grossproffit Jun 2017 #93
Who here says no to that? leftynyc Jun 2017 #98
OBAMA: DENYING ISRAELS RIGHT TO EXIST AS A JEWISH HOMELAND IS ANTI-SEMITIC Mosby Jun 2017 #56
How anyone can NOT understand this is beyond comprehension. Anti-Zionism IS antisemitism. grossproffit Jun 2017 #99
Go march for gay pride in Palestine leftynyc Jun 2017 #14
Enjoy the fall from the rooftops cabot Jun 2017 #18
If they march in Palestine, they'll be looking around Yupster Jun 2017 #43
Damn right they would leftynyc Jun 2017 #47
Excellent point!!! nt 7962 Jun 2017 #45
This is pathetic. The leaders of the March should be fired or the March should be banned. writes3000 Jun 2017 #17
I agree with this. boston bean Jun 2017 #21
Yes. 100% cabot Jun 2017 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2017 #30
The problem is conflation of Judaism with support for Israeli apartheid. DanTex Jun 2017 #23
So they said cabot Jun 2017 #24
Yeah that's what they said. I wasn't there so I can't say what really happened. DanTex Jun 2017 #26
But trashing the ONE Jewish leftynyc Jun 2017 #49
Why would it not be OK? It's a country and it is responsible for its policies. DanTex Jun 2017 #58
Did you see the flag that leftynyc Jun 2017 #62
I guess it comes down to whether the organizers are lying or not. I wasn't there, so I don't know. DanTex Jun 2017 #68
What it REALLY comes leftynyc Jun 2017 #100
How many times does it need leftynyc Jun 2017 #97
That's a lie oberliner Jun 2017 #53
Sure, maybe the organizers of the march are lying. I wasn't there. DanTex Jun 2017 #59
They are definitively lying and have changed their story oberliner Jun 2017 #83
Well, one of the women who was kicked out is a member of a pro-Israel activist group. DanTex Jun 2017 #90
Do you believe that Israel has no right to exist? grossproffit Jun 2017 #65
You dont want an answer to that. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #67
Really? You don't think that Israel has a right to exist? grossproffit Jun 2017 #69
I am a proud Zionist. I make no apologies. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #70
Me too! grossproffit Jun 2017 #73
Yes. I believe that both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist. DanTex Jun 2017 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jun 2017 #25
Wait, you're not a Jewish lesbian? Dr. Strange Jun 2017 #41
Imagine my surprise when I found out. Orrex Jun 2017 #46
Same here... LeftInTX Jun 2017 #44
Authority to comment? melman Jun 2017 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jun 2017 #92
Yeah it actually is melman Jun 2017 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jun 2017 #103
You know what? Orrex Jun 2017 #115
Jews are consistently marginalized, even by the left. We have a huge problem w/ antisemitism. grossproffit Jun 2017 #94
There seems to be a lot of issues with being intersectional lately. stevenleser Jun 2017 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2017 #29
Is this a joke ?? Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2017 #33
I apologize. When I originally clicked on the link, it sent me to some Vigilink shopping site. Not Squinch Jun 2017 #34
i would NEVER post a bogus link. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #35
No problem. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #37
Is that an order? Squinch Jun 2017 #38
No....a request. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #39
That happened to me once on my iPad. demmiblue Jun 2017 #50
That just happened to me twice on a NYTimes link in an o.p. here, Mc Mike Jul 2017 #124
EVEN THOUGH the "Arab Revolt" flag is WELCOME (red triangle, green, white, black), NEVER MIND that WinkyDink Jun 2017 #42
Did ANY of those imbeciles leftynyc Jun 2017 #51
I think you owe imbicles an apology. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #52
Could be leftynyc Jun 2017 #57
And the Palestinian flag is displayed prominently oberliner Jun 2017 #54
Shhhhh EllieBC Jun 2017 #75
This is what I was wondering... Zoonart Jun 2017 #55
Im a Lesbian But The Chicago Dyke March Doesnt Speak For Me Mosby Jun 2017 #61
Great post....thank you. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #63
Well put leftynyc Jun 2017 #64
"With brains" are the key words. Brava! grossproffit Jun 2017 #95
Activist group Jewish Voice for Peace were also at the gay parade in Chicago. They were part of the lunasun Jun 2017 #76
They are the kind of Jewish group that is acceptable oberliner Jun 2017 #77
That's the litmus test applied to us. EllieBC Jun 2017 #82
Yep Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #104
I'm sure they love them. Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #81
How stupid. That's why protests fail. Message dilution. Oneironaut Jun 2017 #72
Intersectionality oberliner Jun 2017 #78
Do you know what intersectionality actually means? Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #86
Yes, it means a bunch of BS oberliner Jun 2017 #87
Yep. It is BS! grossproffit Jun 2017 #96
So I'll mark you down as not having a single clue what intersectionality means. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #105
Exactly oberliner Jun 2017 #106
Intersectionality is not a made up term. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #107
Yes, it is oberliner Jun 2017 #108
I'm a scholar on intersectionality. I don't need a lecture from you on the matter. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #109
Not giving a lecture oberliner Jun 2017 #110
Let me remind you that you claimed intersectionality was a made up buzzword. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #111
Thank you for your courteous and respectful response oberliner Jun 2017 #112
So sorry to disappoint. I don't roll over for the ignorant. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #113
"Zionists should be expelled from social justice movements" oberliner Jun 2017 #114
"Zionists should be expelled from social justice movements." Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #116
Blatant antisemitism. I'm both ashamed and disgusted to see this being posted here. grossproffit Jun 2017 #118
Having been subject to actual antisemitism... Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #123
Thinly veiled? It's not veiled at all. My statement speaks for itself. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #119
This is one of the most disgusting posts I've seen on this forum. grossproffit Jun 2017 #117
Do you support the atrocities committed by the Israeli government? Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #120
Criticizing a government is one thing, denying a country the right to exist is another. grossproffit Jun 2017 #121
Interesting. I'm sure you hold that same standard for the people of Palestine. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #122
American flags aren't welcome either. They're triggered by the flag of the country they're in. grossproffit Jun 2017 #74
Apparently, only two flags are triggers, American and Israeli (of which there were none). Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #89
Palestinian flags were plentiful oberliner Jun 2017 #91
As the Jewish father of a gay Jewish daughter who is proud of her faith and heritage, Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #80
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