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30. The Koch brothers, the Tea Party/Freedom caucus and evangelicals

Reply to lindysalsagal (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:32 AM

Jul 2017

That is why we can't have nice things in Kansas.

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The day my husband and I have dreaded is here. [View all] MoonRiver Jul 2017 OP

I told my husband if this happens on our campus we are out of here. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #1

It's a possibility for us too. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #2

I totally understand. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #3

Yes, it's all just so damned hard. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #4

It has been hard with all of the anti-intellectual crowd, in our state and in the Trump camp. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #9

Oh, yes, my husband is just like that! MoonRiver Jul 2017 #10

I am a college professor.... chillfactor Jul 2017 #56

With automation, universities are nolonger needed. CK_John Jul 2017 #31

The biggest potential problem with this, imo, is suicides. Oneironaut Jul 2017 #5

I agree, but this is Koch brothers territory. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #7

Yes this is true. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #13

I don't fully agree. Suicide can be a spontaneous transient thing, moonscape Jul 2017 #58

You're both right. Especially that allowing adolescents to Hortensis Jul 2017 #76

suicides, a moment of rage (like road rage), drunk students lack of judgment, 'deals' gone bad, Sunlei Jul 2017 #23

Their brains are not "done" yet at that age jmbar2 Jul 2017 #28

You got it. 5-7 years are still needed, if Ilsa Jul 2017 #35

Yep. Easiest prediction in the world is that this level of Hortensis Jul 2017 #77

+about a million! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #47

Even as a 2A progressive I have mixed feelings about this. ileus Jul 2017 #6

Unfortunately, hope will do nothing to prevent a massacre. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #8

Oh please. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #12

And the upside is what? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #27

The burden is on *you* to demonstrate the down side, NOT the other way around. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #64

Haha, yeah BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #74

Do you actually believe students will going to class wearing helmets and work gloves? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #89

Do you actually believe cops want more guns in public places? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #92

Why should law be based on what cops want? I'm sure many don't like the 4th and 5th Amendments friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #93

Yeah, fuck the po-lice! BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #94

*Do* let us know when you're ready to ditch the moral panic mongering and one-liners friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #95

What's it like, working for free? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #100

Gone over to conspiracy theory, have we? Also, you've elided the question, no doubt due... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #102

And why is this an issue again? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #107

"There is no public good served......." pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #114

So much logical fallacy packed into one paragraph cries out for a thorough fisking friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #118

The link between permissive gun laws and promotion of gun sales BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #127

Repetition is not a marker of veracity, and unreasoning fear is no good basis for law friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #135

CCW on campus is a fake need to begin with BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #137

You've yet to demonstrate any harm to the practice, and I find your approach somwhat ...Borkian... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #138

"....that you're willing to do the NRA's work for free......." pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #115

Haha, yeah -- PROOF pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #113

You seem to know guns. Blue_true Jul 2017 #38

To my knowledge, nothing like your mooted scenario has happened in the states that already allow it friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #40

My point, maybe not made well. Blue_true Jul 2017 #42

TEXAS is not open carry. Hangingon Jul 2017 #51

Both Texas and Kansas are open carry. politicat Jul 2017 #57

TX and KS are not open carry on campus. Hangingon Jul 2017 #88

"It is not a question of will they as much as when." pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #66

What *empirical* evidence do you have that legal CCW weapons at colleges are harmful? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #98

What evidence that you have that they are not harmful. Blue_true Jul 2017 #109

Then why hasn't happened yet? If harm cannot be demonstrated (and you've yet to do so), then... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #117

You may have been the person that mentioned not being gunned down like sheep. Blue_true Jul 2017 #121

You make two erroneous assumptions: 1) That I'm a gun owner; I'm not, and 2) Your own experiences... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #123

Why would everyone have a gun out shooting at whatever? ileus Jul 2017 #52

3% on a campus where 10,000 people are walking around is a lot of guns. Blue_true Jul 2017 #110

You wouldn't *be* stopping a disciplined terrorist. It's to give you a chance against street crime.. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #120

Good luck with that. Blue_true Jul 2017 #122

By all means, feel free to make your own choices in re self-defense friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #124

You seem to be bouncing around. Blue_true Jul 2017 #128

I believe it is OK to carry concealed weapons anywhere as long as the gun owner has had democratisphere Jul 2017 #11

... well demonstrates the backslide of maturity in humanity to primitive times. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #14

WTF is in the water in Kansas???? lindysalsagal Jul 2017 #15

Sure does make you wonder. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #17

The Koch brothers, the Tea Party/Freedom caucus and evangelicals Generic Brad Jul 2017 #30

I don't blame you at all. I think that law is fucking crazy. nt raccoon Jul 2017 #16

And of course the facts stated in #44 are irrelevant. NT pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #63

Our state legislature just passed a bill allowing school teachers to carry guns. femmocrat Jul 2017 #18

It's really not a separate issue. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #20

"How can this NOT be obvious???" If it's 'obvious', you should be able to answer the following: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #97

I did a talk at Forsan ISD which is a rural district in Texas recently Yupster Jul 2017 #43

Except now the baddies know the Motownman78 Jul 2017 #67

Depends how many of them there are Yupster Jul 2017 #72

"Things" yes DFW Jul 2017 #75

If students get into a heated argument they can always stand their ground IronLionZion Jul 2017 #19

Exactly! MoonRiver Jul 2017 #22

This is unbelievably stupid Mickju Jul 2017 #21

Yes, and welcome to DU, MoonRiver Jul 2017 #24

Thank you Mickju Jul 2017 #26

Well, still good to have you here! calimary Jul 2017 #49

Thanks! Mickju Jul 2017 #50

And when things follow the same path they have followed other places Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #25

As a FL resident tom_kelly Jul 2017 #29

Umm, no Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #32

Shush! pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #62

Near me, one person gunned down another guy for punching him. Blue_true Jul 2017 #111

Lots of angst here in TX when the school carry went into effect. Hangingon Jul 2017 #33

You and Lee-Lee are countering an obvious moral panic with empirical evidence friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #41

I'm completely disgusted by your obvious disregard for progressive values. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #65

There have been instances of shootings-some fatal-- in parking lots outside bars in NC mnhtnbb Jul 2017 #73

Not a single one of those involved a concealed carry permit Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #82

Misrepresentation of facts is part and parcel of gun control advocacy n/t friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #90

the mere presence of a firearm objectively increases the odds of a firearm accident. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author DonViejo Jul 2017 #34

I've taught, on and off, for over thirty five years struggle4progress Jul 2017 #36

Canada Day? NobodyHere Jul 2017 #37

"cant carry a gun if youre under the influence of alcohol or drugs" How goddamned STUPID is that? CousinIT Jul 2017 #39

Basically the same requirement for CHPs ileus Jul 2017 #53

Actually it very, very rarely happens like that Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #84

That prohibition really works well for people that drive while drinking. Blue_true Jul 2017 #112

I'll put this as gently as I can: You've succumbed to a moral panic friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #44

K&R sheshe2 Jul 2017 #45

I'm so sorry, MoonRiver! That's stupid Cha Jul 2017 #46

I'm sorry. PatrickforO Jul 2017 #48

"Because, hey what could go wrong?" pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #60

LOL. Oh, come now... PatrickforO Jul 2017 #68

LOL. Oh come now... pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #70

Handguns in the dorms? Phoenix61 Jul 2017 #54

Don't worry, most of those who want to carry guns won't be there to study. They'll be going Hoyt Jul 2017 #55

North Carolina passed a law Motownman78 Jul 2017 #71

I just prefer people leave their friggin guns at home, and not pollute schools. Hoyt Jul 2017 #87

Yours is thus an aesthetic judgement, not based on empirical evidence friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #91

Someone who straps on a gun to go to a college campus is a sick, paranoid loser. Hoyt Jul 2017 #104

You're free to feel what you will, but personal tastes are no good basis for civil law friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #134

Isn't that Great! (sarcasm) blue-wave Jul 2017 #59

Eeeek! Wild west! Blood in the streets. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #61

I teach at KU. I am very upset about it, too. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #69

Wow. That would totally freak me out. Vinca Jul 2017 #78

Students can be armed at keg parties get the red out Jul 2017 #79

How, exactly, will it make situations like VA Tech "more possible" Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #83

Guns being commonplace get the red out Jul 2017 #85

Maybe you don't understand what "concealed" means Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #86

All need to read about this shooting in 1966..Texas Tower Shooting.. Stuart G Jul 2017 #80

Sure but the state legislatures Danascot Jul 2017 #81

My view is that this is the 'brownshirting' of univerisities and colleges malaise Jul 2017 #96

We should at LEAST make people get a permit Nevernose Jul 2017 #99

This is just plain madness. The_Casual_Observer Jul 2017 #101

What *empirical* evidence do you have that legal CCW weapons at colleges are harmful? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #103

Do you think I would waste time arguing The_Casual_Observer Jul 2017 #105

"...dignify an obvious mistake? Its madness." 'Colonism' in its purest ray serene: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #119

Have no fear. KU pays its head football coach over $1,000,000 per year, but KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #106

Exactly... MoonRiver Jul 2017 #108

"Progressives" love science/empirical evidence. Until they don't. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #116

Guns and gun owners do to certain "progressives" what brown people, LGBTQ people... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #125

"Rape survivors open letter to Florida State Sen. Diaz de la Portilla on campus carry" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #126

If you male gunners were like most women who carry a gun, guns would not be a problem. Hoyt Jul 2017 #129

Your 'rebuttal' is both sexist and racist friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #130

Racist, why because it identifies guns as the toy of white wingers? Sexist, I don't think so. Hoyt Jul 2017 #132

1) Racist, because you refuse to post pictures of gun owners of color... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author MoonRiver Jul 2017 #136

Campus Carry begins on GA campuses too in July aikoaiko Jul 2017 #139