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LiberalLovinLug

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150. Of course the Green party wants proportional representation

Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:52 PM

Jul 2017

It is the only way a smaller party can ever win a seat.

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.751549

"And to move away from the two-party system, she supports eliminating "winner take all races," instead allowing for proportional representation."

It would interesting to see how the negativity would go down if Democrats actually needed to cooperate with Greens to gain power as in other countries. Here in my province British Columbia, for the first time ever, we have what we call a minority government. The BCLiberals (who are arch conservatives) won just two seats more than the more progressive NDP. But the Greens won three seats. Hooray! Because then the NDP and the Greens formed a coalition to form government. I see nothing wrong with this. I think it healthy to have more parties, more forced compromise for parties representing different voter concerns. The Greens will push the NDP towards greener legislation. That is not a bad thing.

It would be nice to see the US one day enact a PR system so those parties more to the left of center could be, although still competitive, allies towards basically the same progressive goals. And their leaders wouldn't be so misrepresented and shat upon.

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It is amazing how some get so upset here when we tell Jill Stein off! [View all] hrmjustin Jul 2017 OP

Fully agree. It's extremely transparent. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1

In short, I will say it---FUCK Jill Stein Old Vet Jul 2017 #4

I second the Fuck.... FarPoint Jul 2017 #5

I have a third Fuck Jill Stein to give. calimary Jul 2017 #40

Acknowledged... FarPoint Jul 2017 #43

Hugs to you and Mr. Spock too, FarPoint! calimary Jul 2017 #70

An added Fuck Jill Stein. nt jrthin Jul 2017 #92

+1 nt NCTraveler Jul 2017 #6

She wasn't at the roundtable in Russia with Putin and Flynn for no other reason besides the food shraby Jul 2017 #2

A long way to travel for a meal. Thinkingabout Jul 2017 #27

Jill Stein & Republican Flynn dining with Authoritarian Putin in Moscow 2015 Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #55

It's expected and unsurprising. MineralMan Jul 2017 #3

The only thing I find surprising are the number of people who werent following... Old Vet Jul 2017 #25

Yes, there are a few Green, Jill Stein defenders here. Blue_true Jul 2017 #7

I briefly considered joining the Green Party. neeksgeek Jul 2017 #8

I went to a rally during that time mercuryblues Jul 2017 #57

SMUG was the way Stein struck me maddiemom Jul 2017 #65

Jill Stein was one cog in the election fraud machine ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #9

Kickity Kick! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #10

KNR Hekate Jul 2017 #11

K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #12

But they could be, LWolf Jul 2017 #13

She made a statement that she played a big part in the campaign. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #20

Skinner is succinct, but correct mcar Jul 2017 #71

Wow. Are these imprecations hurled at all third party candidates? nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #73

DU detests Jill Stein and we like to let her know. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #74

I don't disagree. I think Third Party candidates are always a mistake. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #78

Yes, We are Democrats and we elect Democrats. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #91

I agree. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #141

She did make one interesting suggestion today. Give people a first and second choice. rzemanfl Jul 2017 #101

Stein is an ally? Tell me more! emulatorloo Jul 2017 #35

No. LWolf Jul 2017 #147

I support Green Party voters who are our allies and have posted defenses when they've been attacked emulatorloo Jul 2017 #149

I'm glad to hear that. LWolf Jul 2017 #163

Fair enough and well said. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #164

Why are these folks remaining as Greens? Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #166

Democrats can walk & chew gum at the same time. Pushing saboteur Stein aside is necessary. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #58

How, exactly, is Stein an ally? mcar Jul 2017 #72

You forgot to call Democrats "neoliberals." betsuni Jul 2017 #97

No. LWolf Jul 2017 #146

Agree. zentrum Jul 2017 #134

You know JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #14

Fuck Stein, Nader, and the simpleton vanity voters. we can do it Jul 2017 #15

Did Stein just say or do something? Why the Stein threads today? brush Jul 2017 #16

She said she played a big part in the campaign on MSNBC today. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #17

Really! WTH! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #19

She did play a part SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #21

Exactly. Was she begging the country and the world for forgiveness? deurbano Jul 2017 #84

Did she elaborate? pnwmom Jul 2017 #23

At to that point I turned off the TV. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #24

In 140 characters or less: emulatorloo Jul 2017 #54

Wow. She's proud of the mess she helped create. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #98

Now I am seeing what this is about. Raine1967 Jul 2017 #26

Unbelievable but.. NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #18

And TYT and The intercept n/t Chevy Jul 2017 #34

TYT: Republican Funded. The Ivancept: in love with Russia n/t emulatorloo Jul 2017 #41

TYT: Republican Funded? progressoid Jul 2017 #75

LA Times:Young Turks Network raises $4 million from former Louisiana governor emulatorloo Jul 2017 #79

Thanks for the information, I didnt know that........ Old Vet Jul 2017 #100

Buddy Roemer - perhaps you should research just who he is. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #117

Here's a Young Turk for you. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #133

K&R mcar Jul 2017 #22

Oh yeah? Adrahil Jul 2017 #28

well said! hrmjustin Jul 2017 #29

Why is this a topic on this board? EOM tiredtoo Jul 2017 #30

Because we criticize our adversaries here. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #31

Oh and here i thought the Republicans were our adversaries, sorry. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #120

Spoilers fallout87 Jul 2017 #158

Because everyone got bored with Ralph Nader n/t leftstreet Jul 2017 #32

No I am still pissed at him but I am more pissed at Stein now. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #33

And the republicans are of no concern? tiredtoo Jul 2017 #122

With respect that is a foolish question. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #129

with respect tell me tiredtoo Jul 2017 #137

What does that have to do with Stein? hrmjustin Jul 2017 #139

we have to stop condemning left wing fringe folk if we expect to turn this around. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #140

Your concern for the Greens and Stein is noted. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #142

Because we can't plant Ralph Nader any deeper. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #50

And yet Trump grows profusely. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #123

Almost to Obama's knees already ... L. Coyote Jul 2017 #127

Nah, falsely claiming Dems are the same or worse than Republicans never gets boring emulatorloo Jul 2017 #59

Reagan, Bush and Trump have been elected. same old same old. Move on! tiredtoo Jul 2017 #124

There is always Trump tiredtoo Jul 2017 #121

Cuz it is a discussion board and people sometimes discuss things that aren't of interest to everyone emulatorloo Jul 2017 #37

Personally i see it more as a divide and conquer stimulant. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #125

Anybody who said Clinton is Worse than Trump is not to be listened to. Ever again. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #143

I suspect it's because some people take longer to get through the stages of grief than others. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #64

Kremlin Jill was on MSNBC spewing her poison. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #93

Remember videohead5 Jul 2017 #36

It's even more amazing that so many Democrats seem to think she's relevant Warpy Jul 2017 #38

Trash thread is a handy feature emulatorloo Jul 2017 #42

THIS progressoid Jul 2017 #76

GREEN Party: Getting Republicans Elected Every November DinahMoeHum Jul 2017 #39

I like that. Not her, but your expression. George II Jul 2017 #45

Greens for more green: Taking Republican money to take Dem votes. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #51

She's no better than trump or Flynn. George II Jul 2017 #44

It is amazing more people are not upset and tell jill off bresue Jul 2017 #46

The Ralph Nader of 2016. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #47

Jill Stein and anyone who endorsed her or voted for her can GO FUCK THEMSELVES! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #48

I've been saying that here about the Greens since 2001. denbot Jul 2017 #49

Russian investigation knocking at her door. Iliyah Jul 2017 #52

What's amazing is that anyone would spend any time now discussing her. elleng Jul 2017 #53

Hers are the Left version of Trumpers, not Bernie. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2017 #56

Stein targeted Hillary more than she did DT. ehrnst Jul 2017 #60

Jill Stein is not the enemy. Doodley Jul 2017 #61

What is she then? hrmjustin Jul 2017 #66

She was a candidate. It is called democracy. What kind of democracy has a choice of only two? Doodley Jul 2017 #105

She is also our adversary. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #107

I agree, but some of the nastiness, the abuse and conspiracy theories aimed at her don't help. Doodley Jul 2017 #108

Jill Stein deserves everything she gets here. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #109

Are you saying you are prepared to defend every single comment on this thread about Jill Stein? Doodley Jul 2017 #112

Your concern for Jill Stein is noted! hrmjustin Jul 2017 #113

I am not concerned in the slightest about Jill Stein. What concerns me is people who act like Trump Doodley Jul 2017 #116

Her goal is to help republicans win JI7 Jul 2017 #83

Kremlin Jill is the enemy...and is not 'Green'. The Greens are like yellow snow Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #94

There is no evidence she is working for the Kremlin. Do you want a two-party state. Doodley Jul 2017 #106

Here's what you are missing. We already have a two-party state. DanTex Jul 2017 #118

Of course the Green party wants proportional representation LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #150

You are still missing the point. Entirely. DanTex Jul 2017 #154

The hell she isn't! The Genealogist Jul 2017 #103

Because I do not see any American as an 'Enemy' then I agree GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #110

When you say she was "with" Flynn. Do you have any evidence she even talked to him? Doodley Jul 2017 #111

Right. GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #138

Ralph Nader was a sincere candidate in 2000, but after that result they should have seen 2016 coming MrPurple Jul 2017 #62

Ralph Nader was just as bad ...two wars, massive tax cuts for the wealthy, 8 million jobs Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #95

It's more amazing that people feel the need to bring her up at all. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #63

She popped up today on TV and said she made a big contribution to the 2016 race. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #67

If, as you proclaim in your OP, "They are NOT our allies!!!" Gore1FL Jul 2017 #90

She is a troll that wants republicans to win JI7 Jul 2017 #68

As a rule I dislike people who contribute to worse outcomes for myself, my family, and my community. JHan Jul 2017 #69

Why waste the time? She's irrelevant. liberalnarb Jul 2017 #77

She deserves our condemnation! She ran a dishonest campaign and deserves to be hrmjustin Jul 2017 #80

Just let her fade into the void. Don't waste time on her. liberalnarb Jul 2017 #81

Stein and Trump are the enemies larry budwell Jul 2017 #82

totally agree! steve2470 Jul 2017 #85

Maybe the problem isn't 3rd party candidates kristopher Jul 2017 #86

In one word...NO. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #96

In one word, yes. KTM Jul 2017 #165

Jill Stein is inconsequential. potone Jul 2017 #87

That's too bad. stein is a Liar.. Cha Jul 2017 #88

She isn't a Democrat. Lunabell Jul 2017 #89

. struggle4progress Jul 2017 #99

She is a paid traitor, IMO, sitting at RT w Flynn and Putin Alice11111 Jul 2017 #102

Jill Stein is in it for Jill Stein and always was. elocs Jul 2017 #104

FJS Alea Jul 2017 #114

I worked briefly with some Greens in Santa Monica Expecting Rain Jul 2017 #115

Well,I've seen a couple of posts about her. They don't specify what's being complained about. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #119

Yesterday she said she played a big part in the campaign. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #130

What campaign? Where was she when she said that? On tv? MSNBC? Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #131

On MSNBC yesterday Alex With asked her how she felt about her(Stein) role in the 2016 campaign. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #132

It is pretty clear what the main complaint is. Every opportunity she had she distorted and lied still_one Jul 2017 #136

But, she said a lot of progressive things, so she must be good... haele Jul 2017 #126

Yep, I got attacked by one of her supporters for saying Stein was a friend of Putins. lark Jul 2017 #128

Breaking Bread With Putin Was a Tell dlk Jul 2017 #135

What was she doing in Russia..her excuse ..well no one in our group INdemo Jul 2017 #144

No anti-vaccine loon who... MarianJack Jul 2017 #145

Group Hate exercise begins. HATE HATE HATE philly_bob Jul 2017 #148

Yes thank you I do. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #152

She is not the problem. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #151

Except that she and those like her BainsBane Jul 2017 #160

They are ineffective and irrelevant. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #161

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #153

Your concern for Jill Stein is noted! hrmjustin Jul 2017 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #156

Jill Stein is a Putin/Trump tool and deserves our condemnation! hrmjustin Jul 2017 #157

I think we can all guess why that is. BainsBane Jul 2017 #159

I'd ask people to stop with the pointless attacks Kentonio Jul 2017 #162