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Blue_true

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121. You may have been the person that mentioned not being gunned down like sheep.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:27 AM
Jul 2017

I don't know, when I talk to gun lovers, all of them seem to have the same somewhat macho visions. I have a question for you. Have you ever been in a live shootout where the other person had a gun? Maybe you were in the military in a war zone and did get into that situation, I don't know you. What I do know is that in three or four situations in my lifetime where a person that owned a gun encounter a person with a gun, the gun owners ended up dead. One of the people was a Doctor that treated me as a child.

I can mention situations that make logical and statistical sense to people like you and I will get pushback. Before I go on, I used to hunt as a kid and was pretty good, anyone that can take down a quail from a flushed covey with a rifle is no playboy with a gun. I gave up guns and hunting as a teen when I didn't have a kill shot on a squirrel but took the shot anyway, watching the squirrel that I had hit struggle to live was enough for me, I gave up guns that day and have not touched one since, I would have no idea of how to work modern guns. Since I was never in the military, I never shot at a person.

Now, back to you. If you are like most gun owners, you have never shot at a real human being. You certainly have not shot at a human being when one or more other human beings are obstructing the line of fire that you need to take to hit the human that you want to shoot. Until you have been in a real live situation where you are shooting at a live human being that may be shooting toward you, any hypothetical that you throw up don't mean a damned thing, you have no idea of how you will react.

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I told my husband if this happens on our campus we are out of here. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #1
It's a possibility for us too. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #2
I totally understand. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #3
Yes, it's all just so damned hard. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #4
It has been hard with all of the anti-intellectual crowd, in our state and in the Trump camp. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #9
Oh, yes, my husband is just like that! MoonRiver Jul 2017 #10
I am a college professor.... chillfactor Jul 2017 #56
With automation, universities are nolonger needed. CK_John Jul 2017 #31
The biggest potential problem with this, imo, is suicides. Oneironaut Jul 2017 #5
I agree, but this is Koch brothers territory. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #7
Yes this is true. redstatebluegirl Jul 2017 #13
I don't fully agree. Suicide can be a spontaneous transient thing, moonscape Jul 2017 #58
You're both right. Especially that allowing adolescents to Hortensis Jul 2017 #76
suicides, a moment of rage (like road rage), drunk students lack of judgment, 'deals' gone bad, Sunlei Jul 2017 #23
Their brains are not "done" yet at that age jmbar2 Jul 2017 #28
You got it. 5-7 years are still needed, if Ilsa Jul 2017 #35
Yep. Easiest prediction in the world is that this level of Hortensis Jul 2017 #77
+about a million! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #47
Even as a 2A progressive I have mixed feelings about this. ileus Jul 2017 #6
Unfortunately, hope will do nothing to prevent a massacre. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #8
Oh please. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #12
And the upside is what? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #27
The burden is on *you* to demonstrate the down side, NOT the other way around. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #64
Haha, yeah BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #74
Do you actually believe students will going to class wearing helmets and work gloves? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #89
Do you actually believe cops want more guns in public places? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #92
Why should law be based on what cops want? I'm sure many don't like the 4th and 5th Amendments friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #93
Yeah, fuck the po-lice! BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #94
*Do* let us know when you're ready to ditch the moral panic mongering and one-liners friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #95
What's it like, working for free? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #100
Gone over to conspiracy theory, have we? Also, you've elided the question, no doubt due... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #102
And why is this an issue again? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #107
"There is no public good served......." pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #114
So much logical fallacy packed into one paragraph cries out for a thorough fisking friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #118
The link between permissive gun laws and promotion of gun sales BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #127
Repetition is not a marker of veracity, and unreasoning fear is no good basis for law friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #135
CCW on campus is a fake need to begin with BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #137
You've yet to demonstrate any harm to the practice, and I find your approach somwhat ...Borkian... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #138
"....that you're willing to do the NRA's work for free......." pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #115
Haha, yeah -- PROOF pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #113
You seem to know guns. Blue_true Jul 2017 #38
To my knowledge, nothing like your mooted scenario has happened in the states that already allow it friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #40
My point, maybe not made well. Blue_true Jul 2017 #42
TEXAS is not open carry. Hangingon Jul 2017 #51
Both Texas and Kansas are open carry. politicat Jul 2017 #57
TX and KS are not open carry on campus. Hangingon Jul 2017 #88
"It is not a question of will they as much as when." pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #66
What *empirical* evidence do you have that legal CCW weapons at colleges are harmful? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #98
What evidence that you have that they are not harmful. Blue_true Jul 2017 #109
Then why hasn't happened yet? If harm cannot be demonstrated (and you've yet to do so), then... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #117
You may have been the person that mentioned not being gunned down like sheep. Blue_true Jul 2017 #121
You make two erroneous assumptions: 1) That I'm a gun owner; I'm not, and 2) Your own experiences... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #123
Why would everyone have a gun out shooting at whatever? ileus Jul 2017 #52
3% on a campus where 10,000 people are walking around is a lot of guns. Blue_true Jul 2017 #110
You wouldn't *be* stopping a disciplined terrorist. It's to give you a chance against street crime.. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #120
Good luck with that. Blue_true Jul 2017 #122
By all means, feel free to make your own choices in re self-defense friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #124
You seem to be bouncing around. Blue_true Jul 2017 #128
I believe it is OK to carry concealed weapons anywhere as long as the gun owner has had democratisphere Jul 2017 #11
... well demonstrates the backslide of maturity in humanity to primitive times. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #14
WTF is in the water in Kansas???? lindysalsagal Jul 2017 #15
Sure does make you wonder. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #17
The Koch brothers, the Tea Party/Freedom caucus and evangelicals Generic Brad Jul 2017 #30
I don't blame you at all. I think that law is fucking crazy. nt raccoon Jul 2017 #16
And of course the facts stated in #44 are irrelevant. NT pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #63
Our state legislature just passed a bill allowing school teachers to carry guns. femmocrat Jul 2017 #18
It's really not a separate issue. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #20
"How can this NOT be obvious???" If it's 'obvious', you should be able to answer the following: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #97
I did a talk at Forsan ISD which is a rural district in Texas recently Yupster Jul 2017 #43
Except now the baddies know the Motownman78 Jul 2017 #67
Depends how many of them there are Yupster Jul 2017 #72
"Things" yes DFW Jul 2017 #75
If students get into a heated argument they can always stand their ground IronLionZion Jul 2017 #19
Exactly! MoonRiver Jul 2017 #22
This is unbelievably stupid Mickju Jul 2017 #21
Yes, and welcome to DU, MoonRiver Jul 2017 #24
Thank you Mickju Jul 2017 #26
Well, still good to have you here! calimary Jul 2017 #49
Thanks! Mickju Jul 2017 #50
And when things follow the same path they have followed other places Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #25
As a FL resident tom_kelly Jul 2017 #29
Umm, no Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #32
Shush! pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #62
Near me, one person gunned down another guy for punching him. Blue_true Jul 2017 #111
Lots of angst here in TX when the school carry went into effect. Hangingon Jul 2017 #33
You and Lee-Lee are countering an obvious moral panic with empirical evidence friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #41
I'm completely disgusted by your obvious disregard for progressive values. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #65
There have been instances of shootings-some fatal-- in parking lots outside bars in NC mnhtnbb Jul 2017 #73
Not a single one of those involved a concealed carry permit Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #82
Misrepresentation of facts is part and parcel of gun control advocacy n/t friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #90
the mere presence of a firearm objectively increases the odds of a firearm accident. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author DonViejo Jul 2017 #34
I've taught, on and off, for over thirty five years struggle4progress Jul 2017 #36
Canada Day? NobodyHere Jul 2017 #37
"cant carry a gun if youre under the influence of alcohol or drugs" How goddamned STUPID is that? CousinIT Jul 2017 #39
Basically the same requirement for CHPs ileus Jul 2017 #53
Actually it very, very rarely happens like that Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #84
That prohibition really works well for people that drive while drinking. Blue_true Jul 2017 #112
I'll put this as gently as I can: You've succumbed to a moral panic friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #44
K&R sheshe2 Jul 2017 #45
I'm so sorry, MoonRiver! That's stupid Cha Jul 2017 #46
I'm sorry. PatrickforO Jul 2017 #48
"Because, hey what could go wrong?" pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #60
LOL. Oh, come now... PatrickforO Jul 2017 #68
LOL. Oh come now... pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #70
Handguns in the dorms? Phoenix61 Jul 2017 #54
Don't worry, most of those who want to carry guns won't be there to study. They'll be going Hoyt Jul 2017 #55
North Carolina passed a law Motownman78 Jul 2017 #71
I just prefer people leave their friggin guns at home, and not pollute schools. Hoyt Jul 2017 #87
Yours is thus an aesthetic judgement, not based on empirical evidence friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #91
Someone who straps on a gun to go to a college campus is a sick, paranoid loser. Hoyt Jul 2017 #104
You're free to feel what you will, but personal tastes are no good basis for civil law friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #134
Isn't that Great! (sarcasm) blue-wave Jul 2017 #59
Eeeek! Wild west! Blood in the streets. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #61
I teach at KU. I am very upset about it, too. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #69
Wow. That would totally freak me out. Vinca Jul 2017 #78
Students can be armed at keg parties get the red out Jul 2017 #79
How, exactly, will it make situations like VA Tech "more possible" Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #83
Guns being commonplace get the red out Jul 2017 #85
Maybe you don't understand what "concealed" means Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #86
All need to read about this shooting in 1966..Texas Tower Shooting.. Stuart G Jul 2017 #80
Sure but the state legislatures Danascot Jul 2017 #81
My view is that this is the 'brownshirting' of univerisities and colleges malaise Jul 2017 #96
We should at LEAST make people get a permit Nevernose Jul 2017 #99
This is just plain madness. The_Casual_Observer Jul 2017 #101
What *empirical* evidence do you have that legal CCW weapons at colleges are harmful? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #103
Do you think I would waste time arguing The_Casual_Observer Jul 2017 #105
"...dignify an obvious mistake? Its madness." 'Colonism' in its purest ray serene: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #119
Have no fear. KU pays its head football coach over $1,000,000 per year, but KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #106
Exactly... MoonRiver Jul 2017 #108
"Progressives" love science/empirical evidence. Until they don't. pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #116
Guns and gun owners do to certain "progressives" what brown people, LGBTQ people... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #125
"Rape survivors open letter to Florida State Sen. Diaz de la Portilla on campus carry" friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #126
If you male gunners were like most women who carry a gun, guns would not be a problem. Hoyt Jul 2017 #129
Your 'rebuttal' is both sexist and racist friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #130
Racist, why because it identifies guns as the toy of white wingers? Sexist, I don't think so. Hoyt Jul 2017 #132
1) Racist, because you refuse to post pictures of gun owners of color... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author MoonRiver Jul 2017 #136
Campus Carry begins on GA campuses too in July aikoaiko Jul 2017 #139
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