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OnDoutside

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34. 100% agree with you, and it's why I asked the question what

Mon Jul 3, 2017, 05:15 AM

Jul 2017

People meant by "single payer". A friend of mine who lives in Frankfurt with his wife and 2 kids, worked as an IT contractor until his salary was over some cutoff for healthcare, meaning he would have to pay an extra 11,000 Euro a year as a self employed person. He was fortunate that he was able to get the same job from his then client, as a full time employee.

The point is that there is no perfect system, and anywhere there is then it costs.

Glad to hear your wife is on the mend.

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IMO, this the time for the DNC to start a push for single payer like most countries in the EU and NA [View all] CK_John Jul 2017 OP

Yes! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #1

Yes!!! This clusterf$@k of repeal/replace resets the stage for more discussion on single payer onlyadream Jul 2017 #2

They didn't have the votes among the blue dogs. However, rather than focus on what shoulda been still_one Jul 2017 #4

Good point fallout87 Jul 2017 #23

California is working on it. It's on hold right now because they are waiting to see what still_one Jul 2017 #24

CA Assembly Speaker Rendon is getting death threats R B Garr Jul 2017 #28

I think NY is also working on it onlyadream Jul 2017 #67

There is a time to go foward, now is the time, it wasn't then. CK_John Jul 2017 #5

there was not enough votes for single payer in the House or the Senate. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #42

There may well have been, but the Democratic Party leadership decided, in their PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #59

No there was not enough votes. It has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or leadership. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #61

Single payer was taken off the table at the very beginning. I recall that quite clearly. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #64

Because they couldn't get the votes in the Senate or in the House...so they got what they Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #66

I was paying attention back when the ACA was first proposed. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #69

Right because they had the Stupak brigade who said never single payer in the house and Landreiu, Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #70

I agree, it would be a good time for Democrats to bring it up now, if for nothing else as an option. still_one Jul 2017 #3

Yes, it's time! crosinski Jul 2017 #6

What research have you done into single payer in the EU ? OnDoutside Jul 2017 #7

Perfection is the god of procrastination. CK_John Jul 2017 #10

More a case of "Be careful what you wish for" ! The NHS in the UK is creaking at the seams because OnDoutside Jul 2017 #11

Tory equals TeaParty, IMO, the GOP wishes it was still still part of the Commonwealth. CK_John Jul 2017 #13

The Tories certainly contain TeaParty NJs, overall being like the GOP. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #14

The Magdalene asylum CK_John Jul 2017 #15

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the current health system. On that specific point though, my OnDoutside Jul 2017 #17

I agree, but remember Obama wanted the public option included with the... dmosh42 Jul 2017 #8

The election of Scott Brown made it impossible and if you recall Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #43

I disagree. I see no reason to take the heat off of the Republicans when there is little... SaschaHM Jul 2017 #9

Great comment. If it works anywhere in Europe, it's because it's properly funded. Most EU countries OnDoutside Jul 2017 #12

I live in Germany. "Working" is relative, though you're better off in general DFW Jul 2017 #31

100% agree with you, and it's why I asked the question what OnDoutside Jul 2017 #34

If the Germans only wanted to charge him 11,000 euros a year for health insurance DFW Jul 2017 #36

That's unreal, and I'm glad you are passing on this to people here. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #60

It depends on who pays attention DFW Jul 2017 #63

Most countries? davekriss Jul 2017 #16

And they are willing to pay higher taxes but Americans not so much...also Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #41

Don't misunderstand davekriss Jul 2017 #45

Taxes in other countries cover a safety net that includes health care coverage and there are Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #65

But being intellectually honest requires admitting that very few of them have single payer mythology Jul 2017 #49

You'll note I did not say "single payer" davekriss Jul 2017 #51

I think you're simply confusing an easily-remembered short hand for actual policy and data. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #57

Something along this line needs to be embedded in our party platform for 18 and 20... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #18

of course it is the obvious solution--count on the Right to shit all over it librechik Jul 2017 #19

Timing is everything, and IMO this is the time. The GOP had 7yrs, the CK_John Jul 2017 #21

No he is not...he will use it to bring down the ACA and then Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #40

It's exactly the right time canetoad Jul 2017 #20

I live in a bright red county in western PA and CozyMystery Jul 2017 #22

DURec leftstreet Jul 2017 #25

I understand this is in the works WhiteTara Jul 2017 #26

I don't think its a good idea to push it now creeksneakers2 Jul 2017 #27

Agreed....... pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #29

The GOP have a tax scam to be the greatest wealth transfer from the middle class to the 1%. CK_John Jul 2017 #30

WAY overdue!! Bernie's been leading the way on this for YEARS... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #32

Now is the time with the GOP in control of the entire government...this is competely Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #39

We will in the end...lose ACA if we push single payer and get exactly nothing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #44

Absolutely! Lunabell Jul 2017 #33

Because it weakens the only health care we have ...the ACA. We should pull out all stops to save the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #38

Corporation giveaway and I am sick of that. Lunabell Jul 2017 #58

Why the DNC? BainsBane Jul 2017 #35

No it is not...it is time for the DNC to save the ACA and millions of lives...including Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #37

The DNC has no play in keeping or fixing ACA. We need to put single payer in play. CK_John Jul 2017 #46

If we can keep it alive. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55

The DNC should be promoting the ideas in the party platform. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #47

I am very familiar with the DNC, and right now it is in a struggle. CK_John Jul 2017 #48

It is under new leadership and setting up strategy going forward. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #50

Given the opposition is engaged in a circular firing squad, you want to give them another target? stevenleser Jul 2017 #52

Insurance companies want no part of healthcare, only the federal Treasury CK_John Jul 2017 #53

Except most EU countries GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #54

I agree. kentuck Jul 2017 #62

Phase in Medicare-for-all krispos42 Jul 2017 #68

We will either have single payer/Medicare for all in this country or workinclasszero Jul 2017 #71