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49. But being intellectually honest requires admitting that very few of them have single payer

Mon Jul 3, 2017, 11:54 AM

Jul 2017

The Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland all have systems that are not that dissimilar to the ACA for example where insurance coverage is provided through private insurance companies.

In Denmark, the system isn't national at all. It's funded and managed at local levels.

The preoccupation with with an almost fetishized national single payer health care to me distracts from making legitimate improvements in the system. Granted not as much as Republican obsession with doing away with health care, but I don't think either actually serves the interest of creating an objectively better system than what we have now.

People talk about single payer national health care as if it is a panacea that will instantly solve all problems. It doesn't avoid the fact that Republicans would fight tooth and nail to defund it. It doesn't deal with the existing shortage of general practitioners and medical student loan debt. It doesn't deal with the lack of rural health care options.

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IMO, this the time for the DNC to start a push for single payer like most countries in the EU and NA [View all] CK_John Jul 2017 OP

Yes! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #1

Yes!!! This clusterf$@k of repeal/replace resets the stage for more discussion on single payer onlyadream Jul 2017 #2

They didn't have the votes among the blue dogs. However, rather than focus on what shoulda been still_one Jul 2017 #4

Good point fallout87 Jul 2017 #23

California is working on it. It's on hold right now because they are waiting to see what still_one Jul 2017 #24

CA Assembly Speaker Rendon is getting death threats R B Garr Jul 2017 #28

I think NY is also working on it onlyadream Jul 2017 #67

There is a time to go foward, now is the time, it wasn't then. CK_John Jul 2017 #5

there was not enough votes for single payer in the House or the Senate. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #42

There may well have been, but the Democratic Party leadership decided, in their PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #59

No there was not enough votes. It has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or leadership. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #61

Single payer was taken off the table at the very beginning. I recall that quite clearly. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #64

Because they couldn't get the votes in the Senate or in the House...so they got what they Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #66

I was paying attention back when the ACA was first proposed. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2017 #69

Right because they had the Stupak brigade who said never single payer in the house and Landreiu, Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #70

I agree, it would be a good time for Democrats to bring it up now, if for nothing else as an option. still_one Jul 2017 #3

Yes, it's time! crosinski Jul 2017 #6

What research have you done into single payer in the EU ? OnDoutside Jul 2017 #7

Perfection is the god of procrastination. CK_John Jul 2017 #10

More a case of "Be careful what you wish for" ! The NHS in the UK is creaking at the seams because OnDoutside Jul 2017 #11

Tory equals TeaParty, IMO, the GOP wishes it was still still part of the Commonwealth. CK_John Jul 2017 #13

The Tories certainly contain TeaParty NJs, overall being like the GOP. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #14

The Magdalene asylum CK_John Jul 2017 #15

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the current health system. On that specific point though, my OnDoutside Jul 2017 #17

I agree, but remember Obama wanted the public option included with the... dmosh42 Jul 2017 #8

The election of Scott Brown made it impossible and if you recall Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #43

I disagree. I see no reason to take the heat off of the Republicans when there is little... SaschaHM Jul 2017 #9

Great comment. If it works anywhere in Europe, it's because it's properly funded. Most EU countries OnDoutside Jul 2017 #12

I live in Germany. "Working" is relative, though you're better off in general DFW Jul 2017 #31

100% agree with you, and it's why I asked the question what OnDoutside Jul 2017 #34

If the Germans only wanted to charge him 11,000 euros a year for health insurance DFW Jul 2017 #36

That's unreal, and I'm glad you are passing on this to people here. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #60

It depends on who pays attention DFW Jul 2017 #63

Most countries? davekriss Jul 2017 #16

And they are willing to pay higher taxes but Americans not so much...also Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #41

Don't misunderstand davekriss Jul 2017 #45

Taxes in other countries cover a safety net that includes health care coverage and there are Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #65

But being intellectually honest requires admitting that very few of them have single payer mythology Jul 2017 #49

You'll note I did not say "single payer" davekriss Jul 2017 #51

I think you're simply confusing an easily-remembered short hand for actual policy and data. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #57

Something along this line needs to be embedded in our party platform for 18 and 20... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #18

of course it is the obvious solution--count on the Right to shit all over it librechik Jul 2017 #19

Timing is everything, and IMO this is the time. The GOP had 7yrs, the CK_John Jul 2017 #21

No he is not...he will use it to bring down the ACA and then Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #40

It's exactly the right time canetoad Jul 2017 #20

I live in a bright red county in western PA and CozyMystery Jul 2017 #22

DURec leftstreet Jul 2017 #25

I understand this is in the works WhiteTara Jul 2017 #26

I don't think its a good idea to push it now creeksneakers2 Jul 2017 #27

Agreed....... pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #29

The GOP have a tax scam to be the greatest wealth transfer from the middle class to the 1%. CK_John Jul 2017 #30

WAY overdue!! Bernie's been leading the way on this for YEARS... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #32

Now is the time with the GOP in control of the entire government...this is competely Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #39

We will in the end...lose ACA if we push single payer and get exactly nothing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #44

Absolutely! Lunabell Jul 2017 #33

Because it weakens the only health care we have ...the ACA. We should pull out all stops to save the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #38

Corporation giveaway and I am sick of that. Lunabell Jul 2017 #58

Why the DNC? BainsBane Jul 2017 #35

No it is not...it is time for the DNC to save the ACA and millions of lives...including Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #37

The DNC has no play in keeping or fixing ACA. We need to put single payer in play. CK_John Jul 2017 #46

If we can keep it alive. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55

The DNC should be promoting the ideas in the party platform. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #47

I am very familiar with the DNC, and right now it is in a struggle. CK_John Jul 2017 #48

It is under new leadership and setting up strategy going forward. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #50

Given the opposition is engaged in a circular firing squad, you want to give them another target? stevenleser Jul 2017 #52

Insurance companies want no part of healthcare, only the federal Treasury CK_John Jul 2017 #53

Except most EU countries GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #54

I agree. kentuck Jul 2017 #62

Phase in Medicare-for-all krispos42 Jul 2017 #68

We will either have single payer/Medicare for all in this country or workinclasszero Jul 2017 #71