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athena

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157. How long have you kept off the weight?

Mon Jul 3, 2017, 04:52 PM

Jul 2017

If it's not more than five years, you should not be making any claims about how successful you have been in losing weight.

As for your claim that I am making "ridiculous" assertions, you should read this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/04/why-diets-dont-actually-work-according-to-a-researcher-who-has-studied-them-for-decades/?utm_term=.6a1a1ac6a0c6

and this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/our-imaginary-weight-problem.html?mcubz=0

and this:

https://qz.com/550527/obesity-paradox-scientists-now-think-that-being-overweight-is-sometimes-good-for-your-health/

Saying somene's arguments are "ridiculous" doesn't make them so. Unlike you, I am providing references for my assertions. Go read them. Then explain what makes them wrong. You will not be able to do it, because you happen to be wrong.

The reason you don't see a lot of old fat people is that people tend to lose weight once they get beyond a certain age. And having started at a higher weight, in fact, puts them in a better position to handle that inevitable weight loss.

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Can we stop fat shaming politicians we don't like? [View all] femmedem Jul 2017 OP

Thank you. It's just mean-spirited but not at all progressive to pull those stunts. CBHagman Jul 2017 #1

I agree. Those sorts of jokes should be beneath us. mythology Jul 2017 #2

I agree, it shows hypocrisy and we should avoid it mdbl Jul 2017 #3

Alleging Trump is gay to shame him Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #13

oh well, guess I cant even make a joke mdbl Jul 2017 #17

I think that was the point of the OP dumbcat Jul 2017 #109

Actually, I thought any sexual preference would have been grossed out, but that's just me mdbl Jul 2017 #240

Slow dancing in their underwear? Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #110

Thank you, Ms. Toad. :-) Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #206

(pssst. mdbl, this is the part where you say, "ooops - I'm sorry!") Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #207

Pssst, Im not. mdbl Jul 2017 #241

Thank you. cwydro Jul 2017 #20

I never noticed the Trump is gay narrative before you mentioned it Not Ruth Jul 2017 #37

Definitely - Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #112

Did anyone even notice Soxfan58 Jul 2017 #214

Right. The suggestion that Mdbl meant anything other than "together" Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #238

sorry, you're off base on this one mdbl Jul 2017 #242

If I (and the others who have commented) are off base, Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #246

Same as MSM thbobby Jul 2017 #4

Fuck him. He deserves whatever shame can be dumped upon him. Orrex Jul 2017 #5

You of course did not read the OP at all. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #7

Since I replied directly to it and specifically addressed several points that it made... Orrex Jul 2017 #14

I agree about Trump, but the Christie fat insults are gratuitous and really not worthy as an attack boston bean Jul 2017 #8

I can agree with that Orrex Jul 2017 #12

Bull, this guy terrorized New Jersey... tallahasseedem Jul 2017 #55

But do people who share that one attribute, but not the rest? 'Cause you're hitting them, too. Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #208

I expect more from my leaders... Baconator Jul 2017 #232

It's hurtful to others... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #9

And we certainly don't become them by mocking them. Orrex Jul 2017 #22

If we are hurting people who struggle with weight HopeAgain Jul 2017 #40

When I am insulting Trump--by whatever mechanism--then I am insulting Trump Orrex Jul 2017 #45

Regardless of whether you might be offending others? NT HopeAgain Jul 2017 #52

If they are hypocritical, then they deserve to be offended Orrex Jul 2017 #53

But derogatory language sweeps broadly against the whole class of people... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #63

Yeah, the conversation's over when you roll out that sad and tired insult Orrex Jul 2017 #66

Considering the way you completely dismiss any criticism of you mythology Jul 2017 #103

Wait--you're justified in mocking me? How so? Orrex Jul 2017 #104

+1 BuddhaGirl Jul 2017 #225

You may not be deliberately saying that... Adrahil Jul 2017 #71

It's too bad, because some people are capable of reading nuance and context. kcr Jul 2017 #77

Thank you (nt) Orrex Jul 2017 #83

So your response is to insult me? Adrahil Jul 2017 #151

I give up n/t kcr Jul 2017 #166

Smart move. Adrahil Jul 2017 #171

Your points are valid. Chemisse Jul 2017 #21

Really well said. Thanks. Adrahil Jul 2017 #73

That's not true. kcr Jul 2017 #78

Context is lost on those who are eager to jump on the fat-people-are-disgusting wagon. Chemisse Jul 2017 #87

There are also people all too eager to jump on the finger wagging band wagon. kcr Jul 2017 #91

Not sure, but are you accusing me of defending Trump? Chemisse Jul 2017 #93

No. I wasn't accusing you of anything. Please read again n/t kcr Jul 2017 #94

Your post was a little confusing, but "maybe even a little Trump defense" Chemisse Jul 2017 #95

If he or she wasn't accusing you of defending Trump, she or he was accusing me. femmedem Jul 2017 #202

Oh yes, us fat people can't read the context.... Adrahil Jul 2017 #230

Emblematic of 45's hypocrisy Rorey Jul 2017 #25

Agreed. MariaCSR Jul 2017 #39

+1 nt Javaman Jul 2017 #48

+2 Owl Jul 2017 #64

I have to agree with you PatSeg Jul 2017 #80

Thank you--that's a clear and thoughtful articulation of my point (nt) Orrex Jul 2017 #82

You're welcome PatSeg Jul 2017 #89

The discomfort with the body shaming isn't about them TDale313 Jul 2017 #102

couldn't have said it better, LOSER 45 thinks he is the greatest, smartest, most handsome Motley13 Jul 2017 #105

this demtenjeep Jul 2017 #178

+11111 happy feet Jul 2017 #228

Nice post but it will go no where. Many here think making fun of appearance is OK. Childish IMO. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #6

So every time someone does so in a coment, we remind them. After a while it is effective. Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #209

Oh, good lord. I'm not Twiggy and I think the jokes are hilarious. Vinca Jul 2017 #10

Yeah, and black people... Adrahil Jul 2017 #231

Oh, good lord. No wonder lefties are accused of being humorless. Vinca Jul 2017 #234

Insulting someone about their looks isn't humor. Adrahil Jul 2017 #235

I take it you missed the Don Rickles era. Vinca Jul 2017 #243

I do not find insult comics amusing, generally speaking. Adrahil Jul 2017 #244

Well, I always crack a joke that if I go to the beach someone will try to push me back into the sea. Vinca Jul 2017 #245

I agree. There is enough to shame the about without getting ugly personally. I don't like fat sham nikibatts Jul 2017 #11

Not going to happen in NJ JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #15

Yeah. The old "he did it first" excuse. cwydro Jul 2017 #23

It's all in how you say it jberryhill Jul 2017 #26

Lol. cwydro Jul 2017 #32

As someone who's battled weight my whole life it doesn't 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #16

I am very overweight and I agree with you on Christie. classykaren Jul 2017 #18

Well it does bother me. NT Adrahil Jul 2017 #29

Boo friggin hoo. Agree I've been up and down weight wise. Does not bother me one bit. Dream Girl Jul 2017 #33

If a specific Black person is not bothered by racist comments, athena Jul 2017 #130

I said it didn't bother *ME* - and it doesn't! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #132

And I pointed out that it bothers others. athena Jul 2017 #136

Whatev! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #138

So that's your point. That other people's feelings don't matter. athena Jul 2017 #139

Whatev! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #141

How old are you? nt cwydro Jul 2017 #218

Too old for this! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #221

It doesn't bother me either. 47of74 Jul 2017 #176

To be fair, we have seen all of the above IronLionZion Jul 2017 #19

We lose any standing or credibility to criticize Trump loyalsister Jul 2017 #31

Thank you for posting this. democrank Jul 2017 #24

Thank you for this post oberliner Jul 2017 #27

Thank you. Adrahil Jul 2017 #28

Fat shaming is mean-spirited, and beneath us. Chemisse Jul 2017 #30

Fat jokes and ageism zentrum Jul 2017 #34

If there was a rule that when a poster makes fun of someone's looks former9thward Jul 2017 #35

Bingo! Don Pardo: Tell our winner about his great prizes! MineralMan Jul 2017 #128

But it's so much easier to insult from behind a mask! nolabear Jul 2017 #146

Yes please, it's disgusting to read. Agschmid Jul 2017 #36

Agreed Takket Jul 2017 #38

Let's add references to 'shriveled balls and flaccid penis' melman Jul 2017 #41

On the whole I agree,... MarianJack Jul 2017 #44

Yes--that's the entirety of it IMO Orrex Jul 2017 #56

Thanks! That is absolutely spot on. If a PUBLIC figure says bullshit like that, then he damn well madinmaryland Jul 2017 #137

And "he started it" makes me as a (formerly) double-chinned person feel better Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #247

Yes. cwydro Jul 2017 #47

Oh, please n/t kcr Jul 2017 #79

As a fat guy myself, I agree. MarianJack Jul 2017 #42

Not as long as trump is hypocritical enough to criticize ANYBODY ELSE'S looks. (nt) Paladin Jul 2017 #43

Yeah. "Wah, he did it first!" cwydro Jul 2017 #69

No Tarc Jul 2017 #46

I noticed Christie lost a lot of weight from the stomach surgery he had 2?? years ago. Sunlei Jul 2017 #49

He had the band operation 47of74 Jul 2017 #179

He looks like he lost about 100lbs but I guess that wasn't enough for the t(R)ump campaign image. Sunlei Jul 2017 #217

He did lose about 85 pounds 47of74 Jul 2017 #219

You're right, their personalities would clash in dramatic LOUD ways. Sunlei Jul 2017 #220

Both are fat and disgusting individuals.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #70

but by using that phrase... Adrahil Jul 2017 #75

Ironically, I find models and slender women to be undesirable. madinmaryland Jul 2017 #140

So fat equals disgusting? Chemisse Jul 2017 #88

I will not fat shame any person Amimnoch Jul 2017 #51

:thumbsup: Orrex Jul 2017 #57

So if a Black person is a misogynist, you feel free to attack them with racist slurs? athena Jul 2017 #120

No. Both of them believe they are gifts to society. tallahasseedem Jul 2017 #54

They will never accept anything. athena Jul 2017 #121

In general I agree. Trump may be an exception because of his constant comments about other people's stevenleser Jul 2017 #58

Agree as to those like Trump. No different than calling out personal morality issues.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #61

No, Polly Hennessey Jul 2017 #59

PLenty to insult him on... Adrahil Jul 2017 #65

I am so sorry that you have to put up with that. athena Jul 2017 #122

Thank you! Adrahil Jul 2017 #172

When you get a chance, athena Jul 2017 #174

I agree for some politicians. But I think it's valid in some instances. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #60

Here's the issue... Adrahil Jul 2017 #67

But they're not insulting him for being fat. Why is this so hard? kcr Jul 2017 #175

I don't see that... Adrahil Jul 2017 #185

So if Trump called you fat Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #183

No, I'd call him an asshole. Adrahil Jul 2017 #186

Plenty to criticize without going there. Misogyny, bigotry and fat shaming ehrnst Jul 2017 #62

Thank you. Also how many times "fat & disgusting" nadine_mn Jul 2017 #68

Apparently, there are a few adolescent posters in DU. cwydro Jul 2017 #72

Too be honest... Adrahil Jul 2017 #74

I've spoken up about those gay jokes. cwydro Jul 2017 #76

Well said. n/t Chemisse Jul 2017 #96

I'm not down with fat shaming, but some of the posts on DU are actually calling out hypocricy kcr Jul 2017 #81

+100 nt cyclonefence Jul 2017 #237

Mocking the outside has always been a way to convey the corruption of the inside. Chaucer: WinkyDink Jul 2017 #84

'Cos bringing papercuts to a knife fight always works so well... HipChick Jul 2017 #85

Thank you for standing up. You are correct. Raster Jul 2017 #86

Thank you! It's just so juvenile. Sick of it...n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2017 #90

He opens himself up to it by commenting on the appearance of others... onecaliberal Jul 2017 #92

Damn. The Christie thread is just loaded with fatness comments. Chemisse Jul 2017 #97

Those are indeed discouraging, and yet very different Orrex Jul 2017 #111

That thread is what inspired my op. femmedem Jul 2017 #195

Trump is made fun of for many physical characteristics cyclonefence Jul 2017 #98

So long as the post is accompanied by a full length body pic of the poster in swim attire, linuxman Jul 2017 #99

I know several competition-grade fitness models who would be happy to do so Orrex Jul 2017 #100

Sorry, but that's Trump's argument for going after his critics. Politicians HAVE POWER, WinkyDink Jul 2017 #196

Mocking only policy denies us our pretense of cleverness, excellence, and ethical transcendence. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #101

Mocking policy doesn't elicit a response from Trump Orrex Jul 2017 #106

We should defer to the experts Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #159

As I noted, the brilliant Chaucer would beg to differ. (And who is this "us"?) WinkyDink Jul 2017 #197

Let's be clear: Republicans are not the "opposition." They are the ENEMY. Fluke a Snooker Jul 2017 #107

Dump has fat shamed any woman he doesn't like Warpy Jul 2017 #108

Two wrongs don't make a right. athena Jul 2017 #114

I refuse to get into a snit over fat shaming a fat shamer. Warpy Jul 2017 #115

Posting an opinion different from yours is not "lecturing". athena Jul 2017 #117

Winner Rustyeye77 Jul 2017 #118

True. Yet it seems unfair treestar Jul 2017 #124

Trump's actions are his alone. Emulating his actions normalizes them. athena Jul 2017 #134

Mocking Trump for his fatness is not fat-shaming; it's hypocrisy-shaming Orrex Jul 2017 #133

So you want to emulate his behavior. When I grow up, mom, I want to act just like the president Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #116

There is that straw man word again, "so." Warpy Jul 2017 #119

I agree. Trump drew first blood. hamsterjill Jul 2017 #223

Thank you. Too many of these SYTs don't get that Warpy Jul 2017 #229

I agree, but folks on DU are going to fight for their right to be assholes vigorously... SaschaHM Jul 2017 #113

I agree though for the Orange Toxin treestar Jul 2017 #123

It doesn't matter that he is a vile, small-minded bigot. Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #126

I'm overweight too treestar Jul 2017 #127

That's not true, though Orrex Jul 2017 #135

We should do that, but probably won't. MineralMan Jul 2017 #125

How about GLUTTONY shaming? tenderfoot Jul 2017 #129

Christie is not going to be ashamed by anything anyone posts here. athena Jul 2017 #149

Fuck that fat miserable dirt bag that enjoys making good fat people's lives miserable. tenderfoot Jul 2017 #162

Why? Hombre74 Jul 2017 #131

That is an interesting spin Not Ruth Jul 2017 #161

Once again, demands being made that Democrats be models of decorum.... Paladin Jul 2017 #142

+1 hamsterjill Jul 2017 #224

+1 dalton99a Jul 2017 #248

No MFM008 Jul 2017 #143

Would you attack them with racist slurs if they were Black? athena Jul 2017 #148

Uhh... Hombre74 Jul 2017 #154

According to scientific studies, diets almost never work in the long term. athena Jul 2017 #169

Yes, I know them Hombre74 Jul 2017 #180

False equivalency MFM008 Jul 2017 #168

It's called an analogy. athena Jul 2017 #170

I think MFM008 Jul 2017 #173

Thanks for being honest. athena Jul 2017 #189

Now hold on! None of those analogies apply; take it from someone who decided to lose weight and did. Towlie Jul 2017 #144

Just because you were able to lose weight doesn't mean everyone can. athena Jul 2017 #147

On the contrary... Towlie Jul 2017 #155

How long have you kept off the weight? athena Jul 2017 #157

No, you have it wrong. Towlie Jul 2017 #163

Good job, ignoring 90% of my post, and making a totally unsubstantiated argument. athena Jul 2017 #165

Oh my... Hombre74 Jul 2017 #177

Responses to your comments: athena Jul 2017 #181

Science... Hombre74 Jul 2017 #184

Drought was a huge issue for hunter gathers hack89 Jul 2017 #192

Herbivores and omnivores are affected by droughts. Fewer of them affects carnivores. Drought affects uppityperson Jul 2017 #193

And early hominids were not carnivores. Nt hack89 Jul 2017 #201

uhhh Hombre74 Jul 2017 #167

Here's the scoop on fluctuating weight: Towlie Jul 2017 #187

Yup Hombre74 Jul 2017 #150

When you single out a physical feature of a person and use that feature... JHan Jul 2017 #160

It's ugly and unhealthy, Adrahil Jul 2017 #153

I've never been heavy... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #164

Thank you. It's extraordinarily painful to read. nolabear Jul 2017 #145

You mean Christie and Trump? Ummmm, let me think about it.... Hekate Jul 2017 #152

Can we still make fun of them for being colossal douchebag? Initech Jul 2017 #156

Er... Christie wants to use "unhealthy habits" as an excuse to put pot smokers in prison. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #158

I think it is ok to go after Trump for his weight Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #182

It is better to attack politicians on policy grounds. Willie Pep Jul 2017 #188

Unfortunately, when they go low and we go high, they go to the White House. Vinca Jul 2017 #215

I have never fat-shamed, I never will Skittles Jul 2017 #190

+1 BuddhaGirl Jul 2017 #233

I'm sorry but Sabrinao Jul 2017 #191

I respect a dead grain moth in my pantry more than I respect Trump. femmedem Jul 2017 #199

Unfirtunately this is the MO of a lot of DUers... MadDAsHell Jul 2017 #194

"A lot of DUers"?? Oh, RILLY? WinkyDink Jul 2017 #200

How about "hair-shaming"? "Small-hands-shaming"? You get my drift. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #198

I have no problem with hair-shaming the ridiculous way Trump tries to hide his bald spot. femmedem Jul 2017 #203

My point wasn't really about hair, per se (though I am balding); it was about the entire WinkyDink Jul 2017 #216

It is a cheap shot, for sure Generic Brad Jul 2017 #204

NO we can't. trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #205

I am glad this thread was posted. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #210

I honestly don't think Trump is all that fat LeftInTX Jul 2017 #211

thank you barbtries Jul 2017 #212

Agreed. It makes our lofty ideals about an inclusive society look hypocritical. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2017 #213

So we're not allowed to say that Christie is the second blimp to crash in New Jersey? :) - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #222

If a post or thread is offensive to you, hamsterjill Jul 2017 #226

Agreed. Add "small penis" shaming to the list as well. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #227

Alert! Alert! Fatshaming violation in Tuesday Toon Roundup by n2doc! Towlie Jul 2017 #236

Ho about no fat shaming regardless of who it is? n/t FreeState Jul 2017 #239