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JHan

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160. When you single out a physical feature of a person and use that feature...

Mon Jul 3, 2017, 04:55 PM

Jul 2017

to make moral judgments about them it is wrong.

Trump is terrible because he's a hypocritical piece of shit, not because he's fat. That's the distinction people are trying to make.

Winston Churchill was a fat dude, it would have been mighty stupid if that was the first qualifier against the man being a Prime Minister Same with Taft and other Presidents we've had.

However what some don't get is that Trump invites this criticism because he of all people connects physicality with a person's self worth as a human being. Other examples: He insults other people's intelligence ( when he's fucking stupid) he insults their looks ( when he looks dreadful, he would also look dreadful skinny) and he insults their clothing and appearance ( when his suits, his fake tan and his stupid hair are ridiculous).

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Can we stop fat shaming politicians we don't like? [View all] femmedem Jul 2017 OP

Thank you. It's just mean-spirited but not at all progressive to pull those stunts. CBHagman Jul 2017 #1

I agree. Those sorts of jokes should be beneath us. mythology Jul 2017 #2

I agree, it shows hypocrisy and we should avoid it mdbl Jul 2017 #3

Alleging Trump is gay to shame him Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #13

oh well, guess I cant even make a joke mdbl Jul 2017 #17

I think that was the point of the OP dumbcat Jul 2017 #109

Actually, I thought any sexual preference would have been grossed out, but that's just me mdbl Jul 2017 #240

Slow dancing in their underwear? Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #110

Thank you, Ms. Toad. :-) Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #206

(pssst. mdbl, this is the part where you say, "ooops - I'm sorry!") Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #207

Pssst, Im not. mdbl Jul 2017 #241

Thank you. cwydro Jul 2017 #20

I never noticed the Trump is gay narrative before you mentioned it Not Ruth Jul 2017 #37

Definitely - Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #112

Did anyone even notice Soxfan58 Jul 2017 #214

Right. The suggestion that Mdbl meant anything other than "together" Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #238

sorry, you're off base on this one mdbl Jul 2017 #242

If I (and the others who have commented) are off base, Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #246

Same as MSM thbobby Jul 2017 #4

Fuck him. He deserves whatever shame can be dumped upon him. Orrex Jul 2017 #5

You of course did not read the OP at all. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #7

Since I replied directly to it and specifically addressed several points that it made... Orrex Jul 2017 #14

I agree about Trump, but the Christie fat insults are gratuitous and really not worthy as an attack boston bean Jul 2017 #8

I can agree with that Orrex Jul 2017 #12

Bull, this guy terrorized New Jersey... tallahasseedem Jul 2017 #55

But do people who share that one attribute, but not the rest? 'Cause you're hitting them, too. Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #208

I expect more from my leaders... Baconator Jul 2017 #232

It's hurtful to others... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #9

And we certainly don't become them by mocking them. Orrex Jul 2017 #22

If we are hurting people who struggle with weight HopeAgain Jul 2017 #40

When I am insulting Trump--by whatever mechanism--then I am insulting Trump Orrex Jul 2017 #45

Regardless of whether you might be offending others? NT HopeAgain Jul 2017 #52

If they are hypocritical, then they deserve to be offended Orrex Jul 2017 #53

But derogatory language sweeps broadly against the whole class of people... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #63

Yeah, the conversation's over when you roll out that sad and tired insult Orrex Jul 2017 #66

Considering the way you completely dismiss any criticism of you mythology Jul 2017 #103

Wait--you're justified in mocking me? How so? Orrex Jul 2017 #104

+1 BuddhaGirl Jul 2017 #225

You may not be deliberately saying that... Adrahil Jul 2017 #71

It's too bad, because some people are capable of reading nuance and context. kcr Jul 2017 #77

Thank you (nt) Orrex Jul 2017 #83

So your response is to insult me? Adrahil Jul 2017 #151

I give up n/t kcr Jul 2017 #166

Smart move. Adrahil Jul 2017 #171

Your points are valid. Chemisse Jul 2017 #21

Really well said. Thanks. Adrahil Jul 2017 #73

That's not true. kcr Jul 2017 #78

Context is lost on those who are eager to jump on the fat-people-are-disgusting wagon. Chemisse Jul 2017 #87

There are also people all too eager to jump on the finger wagging band wagon. kcr Jul 2017 #91

Not sure, but are you accusing me of defending Trump? Chemisse Jul 2017 #93

No. I wasn't accusing you of anything. Please read again n/t kcr Jul 2017 #94

Your post was a little confusing, but "maybe even a little Trump defense" Chemisse Jul 2017 #95

If he or she wasn't accusing you of defending Trump, she or he was accusing me. femmedem Jul 2017 #202

Oh yes, us fat people can't read the context.... Adrahil Jul 2017 #230

Emblematic of 45's hypocrisy Rorey Jul 2017 #25

Agreed. MariaCSR Jul 2017 #39

+1 nt Javaman Jul 2017 #48

+2 Owl Jul 2017 #64

I have to agree with you PatSeg Jul 2017 #80

Thank you--that's a clear and thoughtful articulation of my point (nt) Orrex Jul 2017 #82

You're welcome PatSeg Jul 2017 #89

The discomfort with the body shaming isn't about them TDale313 Jul 2017 #102

couldn't have said it better, LOSER 45 thinks he is the greatest, smartest, most handsome Motley13 Jul 2017 #105

this demtenjeep Jul 2017 #178

+11111 happy feet Jul 2017 #228

Nice post but it will go no where. Many here think making fun of appearance is OK. Childish IMO. n/t USALiberal Jul 2017 #6

So every time someone does so in a coment, we remind them. After a while it is effective. Crash2Parties Jul 2017 #209

Oh, good lord. I'm not Twiggy and I think the jokes are hilarious. Vinca Jul 2017 #10

Yeah, and black people... Adrahil Jul 2017 #231

Oh, good lord. No wonder lefties are accused of being humorless. Vinca Jul 2017 #234

Insulting someone about their looks isn't humor. Adrahil Jul 2017 #235

I take it you missed the Don Rickles era. Vinca Jul 2017 #243

I do not find insult comics amusing, generally speaking. Adrahil Jul 2017 #244

Well, I always crack a joke that if I go to the beach someone will try to push me back into the sea. Vinca Jul 2017 #245

I agree. There is enough to shame the about without getting ugly personally. I don't like fat sham nikibatts Jul 2017 #11

Not going to happen in NJ JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #15

Yeah. The old "he did it first" excuse. cwydro Jul 2017 #23

It's all in how you say it jberryhill Jul 2017 #26

Lol. cwydro Jul 2017 #32

As someone who's battled weight my whole life it doesn't 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #16

I am very overweight and I agree with you on Christie. classykaren Jul 2017 #18

Well it does bother me. NT Adrahil Jul 2017 #29

Boo friggin hoo. Agree I've been up and down weight wise. Does not bother me one bit. Dream Girl Jul 2017 #33

If a specific Black person is not bothered by racist comments, athena Jul 2017 #130

I said it didn't bother *ME* - and it doesn't! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #132

And I pointed out that it bothers others. athena Jul 2017 #136

Whatev! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #138

So that's your point. That other people's feelings don't matter. athena Jul 2017 #139

Whatev! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #141

How old are you? nt cwydro Jul 2017 #218

Too old for this! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #221

It doesn't bother me either. 47of74 Jul 2017 #176

To be fair, we have seen all of the above IronLionZion Jul 2017 #19

We lose any standing or credibility to criticize Trump loyalsister Jul 2017 #31

Thank you for posting this. democrank Jul 2017 #24

Thank you for this post oberliner Jul 2017 #27

Thank you. Adrahil Jul 2017 #28

Fat shaming is mean-spirited, and beneath us. Chemisse Jul 2017 #30

Fat jokes and ageism zentrum Jul 2017 #34

If there was a rule that when a poster makes fun of someone's looks former9thward Jul 2017 #35

Bingo! Don Pardo: Tell our winner about his great prizes! MineralMan Jul 2017 #128

But it's so much easier to insult from behind a mask! nolabear Jul 2017 #146

Yes please, it's disgusting to read. Agschmid Jul 2017 #36

Agreed Takket Jul 2017 #38

Let's add references to 'shriveled balls and flaccid penis' melman Jul 2017 #41

On the whole I agree,... MarianJack Jul 2017 #44

Yes--that's the entirety of it IMO Orrex Jul 2017 #56

Thanks! That is absolutely spot on. If a PUBLIC figure says bullshit like that, then he damn well madinmaryland Jul 2017 #137

And "he started it" makes me as a (formerly) double-chinned person feel better Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #247

Yes. cwydro Jul 2017 #47

Oh, please n/t kcr Jul 2017 #79

As a fat guy myself, I agree. MarianJack Jul 2017 #42

Not as long as trump is hypocritical enough to criticize ANYBODY ELSE'S looks. (nt) Paladin Jul 2017 #43

Yeah. "Wah, he did it first!" cwydro Jul 2017 #69

No Tarc Jul 2017 #46

I noticed Christie lost a lot of weight from the stomach surgery he had 2?? years ago. Sunlei Jul 2017 #49

He had the band operation 47of74 Jul 2017 #179

He looks like he lost about 100lbs but I guess that wasn't enough for the t(R)ump campaign image. Sunlei Jul 2017 #217

He did lose about 85 pounds 47of74 Jul 2017 #219

You're right, their personalities would clash in dramatic LOUD ways. Sunlei Jul 2017 #220

Both are fat and disgusting individuals.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #70

but by using that phrase... Adrahil Jul 2017 #75

Ironically, I find models and slender women to be undesirable. madinmaryland Jul 2017 #140

So fat equals disgusting? Chemisse Jul 2017 #88

I will not fat shame any person Amimnoch Jul 2017 #51

:thumbsup: Orrex Jul 2017 #57

So if a Black person is a misogynist, you feel free to attack them with racist slurs? athena Jul 2017 #120

No. Both of them believe they are gifts to society. tallahasseedem Jul 2017 #54

They will never accept anything. athena Jul 2017 #121

In general I agree. Trump may be an exception because of his constant comments about other people's stevenleser Jul 2017 #58

Agree as to those like Trump. No different than calling out personal morality issues.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #61

No, Polly Hennessey Jul 2017 #59

PLenty to insult him on... Adrahil Jul 2017 #65

I am so sorry that you have to put up with that. athena Jul 2017 #122

Thank you! Adrahil Jul 2017 #172

When you get a chance, athena Jul 2017 #174

I agree for some politicians. But I think it's valid in some instances. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #60

Here's the issue... Adrahil Jul 2017 #67

But they're not insulting him for being fat. Why is this so hard? kcr Jul 2017 #175

I don't see that... Adrahil Jul 2017 #185

So if Trump called you fat Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #183

No, I'd call him an asshole. Adrahil Jul 2017 #186

Plenty to criticize without going there. Misogyny, bigotry and fat shaming ehrnst Jul 2017 #62

Thank you. Also how many times "fat & disgusting" nadine_mn Jul 2017 #68

Apparently, there are a few adolescent posters in DU. cwydro Jul 2017 #72

Too be honest... Adrahil Jul 2017 #74

I've spoken up about those gay jokes. cwydro Jul 2017 #76

Well said. n/t Chemisse Jul 2017 #96

I'm not down with fat shaming, but some of the posts on DU are actually calling out hypocricy kcr Jul 2017 #81

+100 nt cyclonefence Jul 2017 #237

Mocking the outside has always been a way to convey the corruption of the inside. Chaucer: WinkyDink Jul 2017 #84

'Cos bringing papercuts to a knife fight always works so well... HipChick Jul 2017 #85

Thank you for standing up. You are correct. Raster Jul 2017 #86

Thank you! It's just so juvenile. Sick of it...n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2017 #90

He opens himself up to it by commenting on the appearance of others... onecaliberal Jul 2017 #92

Damn. The Christie thread is just loaded with fatness comments. Chemisse Jul 2017 #97

Those are indeed discouraging, and yet very different Orrex Jul 2017 #111

That thread is what inspired my op. femmedem Jul 2017 #195

Trump is made fun of for many physical characteristics cyclonefence Jul 2017 #98

So long as the post is accompanied by a full length body pic of the poster in swim attire, linuxman Jul 2017 #99

I know several competition-grade fitness models who would be happy to do so Orrex Jul 2017 #100

Sorry, but that's Trump's argument for going after his critics. Politicians HAVE POWER, WinkyDink Jul 2017 #196

Mocking only policy denies us our pretense of cleverness, excellence, and ethical transcendence. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #101

Mocking policy doesn't elicit a response from Trump Orrex Jul 2017 #106

We should defer to the experts Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #159

As I noted, the brilliant Chaucer would beg to differ. (And who is this "us"?) WinkyDink Jul 2017 #197

Let's be clear: Republicans are not the "opposition." They are the ENEMY. Fluke a Snooker Jul 2017 #107

Dump has fat shamed any woman he doesn't like Warpy Jul 2017 #108

Two wrongs don't make a right. athena Jul 2017 #114

I refuse to get into a snit over fat shaming a fat shamer. Warpy Jul 2017 #115

Posting an opinion different from yours is not "lecturing". athena Jul 2017 #117

Winner Rustyeye77 Jul 2017 #118

True. Yet it seems unfair treestar Jul 2017 #124

Trump's actions are his alone. Emulating his actions normalizes them. athena Jul 2017 #134

Mocking Trump for his fatness is not fat-shaming; it's hypocrisy-shaming Orrex Jul 2017 #133

So you want to emulate his behavior. When I grow up, mom, I want to act just like the president Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #116

There is that straw man word again, "so." Warpy Jul 2017 #119

I agree. Trump drew first blood. hamsterjill Jul 2017 #223

Thank you. Too many of these SYTs don't get that Warpy Jul 2017 #229

I agree, but folks on DU are going to fight for their right to be assholes vigorously... SaschaHM Jul 2017 #113

I agree though for the Orange Toxin treestar Jul 2017 #123

It doesn't matter that he is a vile, small-minded bigot. Ms. Toad Jul 2017 #126

I'm overweight too treestar Jul 2017 #127

That's not true, though Orrex Jul 2017 #135

We should do that, but probably won't. MineralMan Jul 2017 #125

How about GLUTTONY shaming? tenderfoot Jul 2017 #129

Christie is not going to be ashamed by anything anyone posts here. athena Jul 2017 #149

Fuck that fat miserable dirt bag that enjoys making good fat people's lives miserable. tenderfoot Jul 2017 #162

Why? Hombre74 Jul 2017 #131

That is an interesting spin Not Ruth Jul 2017 #161

Once again, demands being made that Democrats be models of decorum.... Paladin Jul 2017 #142

+1 hamsterjill Jul 2017 #224

+1 dalton99a Jul 2017 #248

No MFM008 Jul 2017 #143

Would you attack them with racist slurs if they were Black? athena Jul 2017 #148

Uhh... Hombre74 Jul 2017 #154

According to scientific studies, diets almost never work in the long term. athena Jul 2017 #169

Yes, I know them Hombre74 Jul 2017 #180

False equivalency MFM008 Jul 2017 #168

It's called an analogy. athena Jul 2017 #170

I think MFM008 Jul 2017 #173

Thanks for being honest. athena Jul 2017 #189

Now hold on! None of those analogies apply; take it from someone who decided to lose weight and did. Towlie Jul 2017 #144

Just because you were able to lose weight doesn't mean everyone can. athena Jul 2017 #147

On the contrary... Towlie Jul 2017 #155

How long have you kept off the weight? athena Jul 2017 #157

No, you have it wrong. Towlie Jul 2017 #163

Good job, ignoring 90% of my post, and making a totally unsubstantiated argument. athena Jul 2017 #165

Oh my... Hombre74 Jul 2017 #177

Responses to your comments: athena Jul 2017 #181

Science... Hombre74 Jul 2017 #184

Drought was a huge issue for hunter gathers hack89 Jul 2017 #192

Herbivores and omnivores are affected by droughts. Fewer of them affects carnivores. Drought affects uppityperson Jul 2017 #193

And early hominids were not carnivores. Nt hack89 Jul 2017 #201

uhhh Hombre74 Jul 2017 #167

Here's the scoop on fluctuating weight: Towlie Jul 2017 #187

Yup Hombre74 Jul 2017 #150

When you single out a physical feature of a person and use that feature... JHan Jul 2017 #160

It's ugly and unhealthy, Adrahil Jul 2017 #153

I've never been heavy... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #164

Thank you. It's extraordinarily painful to read. nolabear Jul 2017 #145

You mean Christie and Trump? Ummmm, let me think about it.... Hekate Jul 2017 #152

Can we still make fun of them for being colossal douchebag? Initech Jul 2017 #156

Er... Christie wants to use "unhealthy habits" as an excuse to put pot smokers in prison. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #158

I think it is ok to go after Trump for his weight Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #182

It is better to attack politicians on policy grounds. Willie Pep Jul 2017 #188

Unfortunately, when they go low and we go high, they go to the White House. Vinca Jul 2017 #215

I have never fat-shamed, I never will Skittles Jul 2017 #190

+1 BuddhaGirl Jul 2017 #233

I'm sorry but Sabrinao Jul 2017 #191

I respect a dead grain moth in my pantry more than I respect Trump. femmedem Jul 2017 #199

Unfirtunately this is the MO of a lot of DUers... MadDAsHell Jul 2017 #194

"A lot of DUers"?? Oh, RILLY? WinkyDink Jul 2017 #200

How about "hair-shaming"? "Small-hands-shaming"? You get my drift. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #198

I have no problem with hair-shaming the ridiculous way Trump tries to hide his bald spot. femmedem Jul 2017 #203

My point wasn't really about hair, per se (though I am balding); it was about the entire WinkyDink Jul 2017 #216

It is a cheap shot, for sure Generic Brad Jul 2017 #204

NO we can't. trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #205

I am glad this thread was posted. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #210

I honestly don't think Trump is all that fat LeftInTX Jul 2017 #211

thank you barbtries Jul 2017 #212

Agreed. It makes our lofty ideals about an inclusive society look hypocritical. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2017 #213

So we're not allowed to say that Christie is the second blimp to crash in New Jersey? :) - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #222

If a post or thread is offensive to you, hamsterjill Jul 2017 #226

Agreed. Add "small penis" shaming to the list as well. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #227

Alert! Alert! Fatshaming violation in Tuesday Toon Roundup by n2doc! Towlie Jul 2017 #236

Ho about no fat shaming regardless of who it is? n/t FreeState Jul 2017 #239