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Binkie The Clown

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18. Is smoker shaming wrong? Is ignorance shaming wrong?
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jul 2017

Is it wrong to shame someone for being a redneck bigoted Trump lover?

Is it wrong to shame someone for making a bad choice?

Yes, it's clearly wrong to shame someone who has a birth defect, or is born Jewish, or black, or gay, crippled. More than wrong, it's shameful! People who shame others for simply being what they are, are deplorable.

So the question is, is being fat a choice or an unavoidable condition? I guess that depends on who you ask. But I can only speak from my own small sample of observations:

I once worked in a downtown retail store and I watched people walking by the store windows every day. The trim, athletic-looking people were always walking empty-handed, or with a shopping bag. The obese people were always, and I do mean always, walking by with a soft drink in one hand and a donut, or roll, or hamburger, or some other food item in the other hand. So my observation was that it is, indeed, a choice.

Now I may be wrong, but that time when I put on 35 pounds too many, it only took me a few months of prudent eating to take that excess fat off. So for me, at least, it IS a choice. Your mileage may vary. However, the plain fact of biochemistry is that if you eat more calories than you burn you will gain weight, and if you eat fewer calories than you burn you will lose weight. Everything else is an "explanation" of why the laws of physics don't apply in your case.

As for studies, don't forget that the AMA once endorsed smoking as harmless, and possibly even beneficial for some people. But no matter what raw epidemiological data you look at, obese people die younger. The more obese, the younger they die. The truth will set you free, but first it will really piss you off.

And, for the record, I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining to you why I'm right.

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Why Fat-Shaming Is Wrong. [View all] athena Jul 2017 OP
Just one minor quibble NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #1
Seconded, on both counts True Dough Jul 2017 #5
You didn't bother to read the links I posted, did you? athena Jul 2017 #7
I gave them a cursory read True Dough Jul 2017 #15
95% of diets fail within five years. athena Jul 2017 #17
Conventional and fad "diets" are part of the problem True Dough Jul 2017 #20
That study was halted because it showed no reduction in mortality. athena Jul 2017 #22
You're so driven to be right that you're making an enemy out of someone who isn't one True Dough Jul 2017 #27
And just because I believe long-term weight loss is achievable for many individuals True Dough Jul 2017 #29
Agreed. Snackshack Jul 2017 #31
Thank you for this. johnp3907 Jul 2017 #2
Questionable research Loki Liesmith Jul 2017 #3
I'm sorry MFM008 Jul 2017 #4
No one should be shamed into having surgery to change their weight. athena Jul 2017 #6
No one shamed me MFM008 Jul 2017 #8
OK. athena Jul 2017 #12
Thank you MFM008 Jul 2017 #23
I have dengenerative bones... LakeArenal Jul 2017 #9
My weight loss MFM008 Jul 2017 #10
Fat shaming is wrong TBA Jul 2017 #11
We all know that if significantly less calories are consumed, weight will be lost. Doodley Jul 2017 #13
And I Disagree ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #14
It sounds good in theory NobodyHere Jul 2017 #16
Is smoker shaming wrong? Is ignorance shaming wrong? Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #18
You should read the links in my OP. athena Jul 2017 #19
Oh Hombre74 Jul 2017 #21
For years and years I tried to quit smoking. They told me it was not a choice it was an addiction. Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #26
If being overweight were remotely as dangerous as smoking, athena Jul 2017 #36
You will find the papers that tell you what you want to hear. That's what I did as a smoker. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #43
I gained 40 pounds in 15 years. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #24
"The reality, however, is that it is impossible to lose weight, and that being fat is not unhealthy" Towlie Jul 2017 #25
That's not my previous thread. athena Jul 2017 #30
Sorry, I corrected the error. But you know what else is funny? Towlie Jul 2017 #33
I have not read a single link yet, but intend to Not Ruth Jul 2017 #28
I know a whole lot about this subject, AND THERE IS A LIE A STATEMENT IN OP Stuart G Jul 2017 #32
Good job, Stuart! Towlie Jul 2017 #35
3% - 5% of people are able to keep the weight off. athena Jul 2017 #41
No...it does not take "superhuman effort" to lose weight.. Stuart G Jul 2017 #44
I lost 85 pounds almost ten years ago and have not regained them. cyclonefence Jul 2017 #34
Good for you, but as you say, you didn't actually diet. athena Jul 2017 #38
Diets don't work cyclonefence Jul 2017 #42
Jesus Blue_Warrior Jul 2017 #37
Hygiene shaming ... Is that okay? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #39
Chris Christie uses "unhealthy habits" to justify sending marijuana users to prison. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #40
Fat shaming is wrong because it's ineffective TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #45
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