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Voltaire2

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133. A disaster of an election but not a coup.

Tue Jul 4, 2017, 01:47 PM

Jul 2017

Even if we assume that Russia managed to hack enough voting machines to swing the election, which of course we actually have no evidence for, that would not constitute a coup. A coup is a military overthrow of a government, where the military involved is the military of the country itself.

Instead we have an administration that won an election while receiving campaign support from a foreign power. That support may in fact have violated numerous laws, and members of the Trump campaign team may very well be getting indicted for those crimes. Still not a coup. In fact, as the election results were certified, Trump is the legally elected president of the USA.

I'm all for indicting the crap out of everyone on the Trump team including Trump, on the off chance that this would embarrass the GOP into the impeachment that is the only remedy to this situation, but I'm not counting on that.

Instead, I'm looking at the long decline across the board of the Democratic Party, and I've concluded that continuing the same stunted centrist messaging of the last 20 years will produce the same dismal results. The party has to change.

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To some, acting to push Democrats at ALL when we are under a fucking COUP is highjacking democracy [View all] LaydeeBug Jul 2017 OP

That is nothing compared to what is happening on Twitter Not Ruth Jul 2017 #1

This whole thing seems to be happening on Twitter LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #4

Louise Mensch and Robin both seem determined to get the other kicked off of Twitter Not Ruth Jul 2017 #188

Their infighting is NOT going to determine the future of citizen journalism LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #190

Thanks ! You are correct. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #2

It is maddening when one makes a response to those criticizing the party, to be told they are the boston bean Jul 2017 #3

I do too. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #42

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Once again, you speak for me! Squinch Jul 2017 #5

Does "Our Revolution" exclude democrats? Good indicator somethings not right about it YCHDT Jul 2017 #6

Nina said they would promote Repubs if they pass her one issue test.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #102

I didn't think my opinion of her could get any lower. But it did. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #126

I see I was mistaken - its single payer. I thought campaign financing was the one issue. bettyellen Jul 2017 #135

The "worst" Democrat is always better than the "best" Republican. I will never... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #136

Opening up the Constitution for it? SMH. What a moron. Why not just put nooses around Squinch Jul 2017 #151

Well, we'd better not be the party of Joe Manchin or Max Baucus either. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #7

amen to this. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #12

We are the big tent party...we include the Joe Manchin's and the Elizabeth Warrens. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #18

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better Manchin than a tea-party turd OKNancy Jul 2017 #46

and THAT is the ugly TRUTH of the matter. Also, they're stealing shit LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #66

Weren't we just told not long ago that we needed to be more unpure and accept that boston bean Jul 2017 #76

Makes my head spin mcar Jul 2017 #105

yup. What some fail to realize that the majority party controls the agenda. This was the whole still_one Jul 2017 #107

The Democratic Party has always had its share of "deplorables". Scruffy1 Jul 2017 #91

YES, YES and YES! mountain grammy Jul 2017 #147

The problem with you having no problem with Our Revolution is that they split the Dem vote... brush Jul 2017 #181

I agree mdbl Jul 2017 #194

You mention two people who win elections... NCTraveler Jul 2017 #129

Yeah, what a winner. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #158

Strange response when shown the fatal flaw... NCTraveler Jul 2017 #159

You assumed an argument I didn't even make. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #161

And there is another flaw. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #162

Only because she got pushed. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #166

Transparent. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2017 #167

"As is" works. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #169

That's exactly what I said. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #171

I agree. mountain grammy Jul 2017 #149

"Milquetoast accommodation due to region" WINS elections, and is the ONLY way to win in some states BzaDem Jul 2017 #165

Does that strategy work on a national level? HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #168

You specifically said "Milquetoast accommodation due to region loses elections." BzaDem Jul 2017 #172

Preach! Talk sense to those who don't get the picture but think they do. brush Jul 2017 #182

Obviously you think it's ok to sling "gay" slurs cwydro Jul 2017 #8

I don't think that gay is a slur...I STATED TRUTHFULLY that gay *bothers* them LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #14

You're certainly repetitive. cwydro Jul 2017 #21

WRONG!! (again) but of course, I am not suprised. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #29

I would just ignore.. gaslighting... boston bean Jul 2017 #74

Omg. cwydro Jul 2017 #122

omfg LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 2017 #114

It does bother 'them'. I always wonder what trump sees in a person like his BF Bannon. It can't just Sunlei Jul 2017 #51

LOL. I had no idea about the suits. That's an interesting observation LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #59

There is. Rebecca Mercer, a Bannon backer is a billionaire repug's daughter. brush Jul 2017 #183

Are you accusing a DU'er of slinging gay slurs? Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #20

There is an entire thread where this OP did exactly that cwydro Jul 2017 #23

Link...Oh and I have a Gay daughter...Gay is not a slur. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #26

That was not a gay slur and you know it. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #24

Thank you. Also, voicing that support *bothers* them. They want to split semantics and it's BULLSHIT LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #30

This is tiresome. cwydro Jul 2017 #34

so post a link to this thread... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #45

Look it up yourself. cwydro Jul 2017 #48

She's trying to get you a hide for calling out another poster. n/t QC Jul 2017 #65

If 'she' wanted an alert...'she' would have already done so. Enjoy your holiday! Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #92

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Ok...that is what I thought. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #192

Calling someone 'Bubba' is name calling. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #199

THEN GO TO THAT 'DIFFERENT THREAD' NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #127

Nasty! and I like it... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #137

THANK YOU VERY FUCKING MUCH! If they can't have it with pretending I was gay bashing LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #140

That's getting a little silly. Who cares if someone uses the word "fuck"? brush Jul 2017 #184

Bullshit melman Jul 2017 #41

And to put an exclamation point on this - CNN breaking - a bilateral meeting w/Russia will happen BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #9

'Does *gay* bother them? It does. Shove it in their fucking face.' melman Jul 2017 #10

You are doing it RIGHT FUCKING NOW. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #11

Calling you on the homophobic bullshit in your OP? melman Jul 2017 #15

*nope* calling for a circular firing squad when you need your ammo for the war. Nice try though.. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #17

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Thank you. cwydro Jul 2017 #40

Say It Loud! MineralMan Jul 2017 #13

K&R Gothmog Jul 2017 #16

Yes tiredtoo Jul 2017 #19

K&R betsuni Jul 2017 #22

Speaking as someone who *is* gay, I don't think homophobia QC Jul 2017 #25

My daughter is Gay...and that is not a slur to use that word. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #27

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #31

They want choose our words now. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #50

YAS!!! And bully us in the process. FUCK THAT. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #67

Yep...it is unacceptable. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #86

Oh, and how DARE you NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #131

Dreadful I tell you. Just. fucking. dreadful. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #164

Why are you are trying to defend the indefensible? QC Jul 2017 #38

Well put. cwydro Jul 2017 #43

Thank you. I'm so tired of having commands barked at me. n/t QC Jul 2017 #47

Why would I listen to a poster who calls a DU'er anti-gay and refuses to provide a link that Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55

I'm gay. cwydro Jul 2017 #57

STOP CHOOSING HER WORDS!11!!1!!! n/t QC Jul 2017 #71

That's a great idea! LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #193

You're not gay. You don't get to tell gay people what is and is not QC Jul 2017 #62

You're better at dealing with this oblivious person than I am. cwydro Jul 2017 #72

I'm giving up. It's a beautiful day out and I have things to do. QC Jul 2017 #73

Getting ready to take my kayak out. cwydro Jul 2017 #80

Hope you had a great 4th kayacking. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #191

You know...calling laydee a homophobe by deliberately misrepresenting her words is not right. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #81

I haven't called any names at all. cwydro Jul 2017 #83

You too. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #85

You shouldn't call people homophobic either. There is nothing on this thread that supports that Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #138

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"Fuck these purist motherfuckers"? aikoaiko Jul 2017 #28

*NOPE*. Being cheated is how we lose...kowtowing to circular firing squad logic LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #32

YMMV but I don't see your posts as an effective strategy for building the party. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #56

I don't think you're helping either LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #63

When you say "fuck these motherfuckers" for pushing the party aikoaiko Jul 2017 #70

A Counter-Coup is the immediate and VITAL cause. Open your EYES. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #64

Her point wasn't hard to understand JHan Jul 2017 #37

there are very few "purists" out there. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #49

Last year proved there are many people JHan Jul 2017 #52

Yes Busters existed. PUMAs existed when we won the WH twice. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #58

Um... JHan Jul 2017 #101

Well that's true, mostly. But that was due in part to Obama's leadership and appealing to left aikoaiko Jul 2017 #106

Yes Obama was tremendous but he wasn't defending an incumbent.. JHan Jul 2017 #109

I agree. We do need to fight the GOP collectively. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #115

they already have a seat at the table... JHan Jul 2017 #117

That's what democracy looks like -- it can be uncomfortable at times. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #118

Excuse My Ignorance Me. Jul 2017 #79

BoBers JHan Jul 2017 #99

Aah, Got It Me. Jul 2017 #130

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While Its True I Didnt Know That Particular Appelation Me. Jul 2017 #154

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I Get You Me. Jul 2017 #157

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Of Course Me. Jul 2017 #170

It is the theory that the only problem with the Democratic Party, Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #189

You're correct. (And, thank you for trying.) NurseJackie Jul 2017 #61

I can't help it sometimes .. JHan Jul 2017 #111

That's what sets you apart. You're motivated by a desire to benefit all... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #116

The funny thing is I am really very much to the left or rather very LIBERAL on a lot of issues... JHan Jul 2017 #119

Unsurprizingly, it's totally possible to be "radical" and reasonable at the same time. You... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #120

;) JHan Jul 2017 #125

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Some of us refuse to engage in bigotry, some of us believe in maintaining our morality mythology Jul 2017 #33

Hit 'em in their hypocrisy. This ain't Tiddly-Winks. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #69

True. I can't/won't adopt that middle paragraph. But, I loved every bit of the rest of the OP. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #75

Preach it to em' ileus Jul 2017 #35

We must stay united and focused on this disastrous attack that has been inflicted on our country judesedit Jul 2017 #36

You're right. I wish they would run the Russia-Republican collusion investigations 24/7. TO SLOW! Sunlei Jul 2017 #39

Our Revolution excludes Dems? retrowire Jul 2017 #53

Yes, and they back Greens as well. They also primary sitting Democrats but the GOP Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #77

I'm not going to fight the enemy by becoming the enemy. Gore1FL Jul 2017 #54

Bingo. nt cwydro Jul 2017 #82

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Once again, I bow down. I second every single awesome word (even WinkyDink Jul 2017 #60

im right there with you....... samnsara Jul 2017 #68

Well and perfectly stated as usual, LDB. Paladin Jul 2017 #78

They can't attack your argument so they use faux outrage over a supposed slur that you never Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #84

Some People Are Tired Of Taking The Good With The Bad - Sorry Ladybub All-In Jul 2017 #87

K&R mcar Jul 2017 #88

Who's Nina? What's a Deza? leftstreet Jul 2017 #90

"FUCK THESE PURIST MOTHERFUCKERS" Gman Jul 2017 #93

Watch: Is Van Jones minimizing Trump/Russia Investigations? Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #94

I think he IS minimizing it. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #98

I agree entirely, especially in light of what Nina Turner said last week: George II Jul 2017 #95

New head of Our Revolution Nina Turner on Unity with DEMS!! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #96

After hearing both Obama and Clinton slimed for reaching across the aisle one bit this is rich.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #104

David Yankovich gets strange treatment from Wisconsin Our Revolution? Why? Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #97

Wow. They sound insane. Squinch Jul 2017 #176

Hmm. With all due respect, it sounds like you're the one doing the dividing. PatrickforO Jul 2017 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Jul 2017 #108

excellent post! m-lekktor Jul 2017 #112

Oh. I thought I'd be catching flak for this post. PatrickforO Jul 2017 #173

Very well said LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #143

'Deathcare!' I love it! PatrickforO Jul 2017 #174

Do it! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #175

Here you go... PatrickforO Jul 2017 #186

"Russia wants us to focus on Bernie and Nina." Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #103

See post 97. Squinch Jul 2017 #177

Hearsay... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #179

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Unrec x 10000 m-lekktor Jul 2017 #110

K&R radical noodle Jul 2017 #113

K&R blue-wave Jul 2017 #121

Exactly nini Jul 2017 #123

One thing we ALL have understand is that every election we have is a binary election. world wide wally Jul 2017 #124

BRAVO! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #128

When they go low, we bury them! WhiteTara Jul 2017 #132

A disaster of an election but not a coup. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #133

***This is a coup*** workinclasszero Jul 2017 #134

Thank you. murielm99 Jul 2017 #141

K&R Jamaal510 Jul 2017 #142

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Try winning the next election with Nevernose Jul 2017 #156

See post 97. Squinch Jul 2017 #178

I honestly can't Nevernose Jul 2017 #187

I'm all for this except for the "words" part... SaschaHM Jul 2017 #163

Dems have hardened up, but..... spixxen Jul 2017 #195

I would suggest folks pick up JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #196

'I want to bring back the HUAC' melman Jul 2017 #197

Oh well - JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #198