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GulfCoast66

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67. Please read about proving a negative

Thu Jul 6, 2017, 12:11 AM

Jul 2017

The assumption is that elections are clean. If you were going to claim they are not, evidence must be provided. Otherwise you will be taken as a crank. Maybe not to me, but to the populist as a whole.

I think they had no need to actually hack the vote. Their propaganda campaign did the job for them.

When I was reading the horrible things said about Hillary on DU I knew we were sunk.

If the 2020 primary has such a bitter fight between the left wing of the left leaning Democratic Party, and the part of the party that actually wins primaries, Trump will be reelected.

Because the Russians will be back at it.

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Bernie Sanders' campaign staffer John Mattes: We were Russian pawns. [View all] pnwmom Jul 2017 OP

Yep. Effective in turning voters against Clinton, and don't forget gullible too. brush Jul 2017 #1

I knew it. calimary Jul 2017 #34

Hello, Nina, Susan...are you there? nikibatts Jul 2017 #52

Exactly, niki.. nina wants to sweep that under the Cha Jul 2017 #80

Yes russia used Sanders and the idiots on JPR Gothmog Jul 2017 #2

They even tried posting that stuff here but we were better equipped to fight that, pnwmom Jul 2017 #3

They still did a lot of damage. brer cat Jul 2017 #5

I watched. They turned DU members on eachother. Blue_true Jul 2017 #17

The vast majority of the electorate have no clue what DU and other sites are CentralMass Jul 2017 #33

All Democrats are fodder for the right. brer cat Jul 2017 #46

I don't have an argument with what you say but Hillary holds a special place in the GOP's CentralMass Jul 2017 #51

Russia also used Sanders friendly facebook pages Gothmog Jul 2017 #63

I was a Sanders supporter in the primary and Russian backed or other propaganda had CentralMass Jul 2017 #72

I would agree with you there. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #87

+1 CentralMass Jul 2017 #88

JPR? MiddleClass Jul 2017 #6

Jackshit Preschool Repubs revmclaren Jul 2017 #10

lol brer cat Jul 2017 #20

LOL Gothmog Jul 2017 #62

Now that was Russian involvement in cyber warfare MiddleClass Jul 2017 #4

Ah, but they DID manipulate vote machine totals... Beartracks Jul 2017 #56

FWIW: I don't think Mattes was a Sanders campaign staffer. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #7

Quibble about his title all you want -- he was a "major organizer" on the Bernie team. pnwmom Jul 2017 #8

My point is that Staffer implies employed by campaign professionally. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #12

Well now you HAVE seen him described as a major organizer, in addition to his other pnwmom Jul 2017 #14

Still looking for that word major. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #23

I'll put it in capital letters so you don't miss it again. Here you go: pnwmom Jul 2017 #25

Thank you. I will concede the San Diego paper thinks he was a major organizer in their area. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #26

And Raw Story refers to him as one of Sanders's "major backers" and "professional campaign staff." pnwmom Jul 2017 #29

Maybe we'll understand his role better someday. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #38

Seems most of us understand it pretty well right now Justice Jul 2017 #78

Has Cenk or Hartmann said it? NCTraveler Jul 2017 #85

Are you saying that social media didn't play a huge role in the alienation of Sanders supporters... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #15

I think its really hard to say how much fake news impacted actual votes. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #21

It's not hard to say. The o.p., who was a campaign insider, says the Bernie camp "got played". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #28

Again. I don't think he was a campaign staffer or an insider. He ran a facebook page and organized. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #30

He WAS an insider and a major backer and a member of the campaign staff, pnwmom Jul 2017 #32

Which isn't a quantifiable measure mythology Jul 2017 #41

How gullible, ignorant and bereft of reading comprehension are we? GusBob Jul 2017 #9

This was a coordinated attack hurple Jul 2017 #11

The FBI did plenty of damage with their illegitimate actions. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #19

There is zero evidence any votes were changed mythology Jul 2017 #42

Prove it Roy Rolling Jul 2017 #48

Please read about proving a negative GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #67

It's the fact it happened that counts. RandySF Jul 2017 #76

Absolutely not true hurple Jul 2017 #90

+1 Great post! I agree with every word you said. lunamagica Jul 2017 #49

Exactly; pandr32 Jul 2017 #54

And I'll guarantee that Assange and Greenwald were at the tip of that particular spear. Sad. nt Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #13

Just like the Russians are going after Pelosi. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #16

I was fucking saying this for a year and I was mocked by those who couldn't handle the truth nini Jul 2017 #18

They were. And it was obvious. NYResister Jul 2017 #22

Welcome to DU, NYResister! calimary Jul 2017 #36

Millions of Democrats can be proud that they voted for Sanders. David__77 Jul 2017 #24

In the primary -- but not the ones who were stupid enough to write his name in the general. pnwmom Jul 2017 #31

Do you have any election statistics to support that claim? sammythecat Jul 2017 #61

Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary helped DT. Some who were prevented from voting can't be blamed. pnwmom Jul 2017 #64

So, no stats to show that if the write-ins for Sanders sammythecat Jul 2017 #68

Depends what state karynnj Jul 2017 #71

No one could know that except retroactively. Vote tampering could have happened in any state pnwmom Jul 2017 #74

The first stated called for Clinton was Vermont karynnj Jul 2017 #79

And how did that work out for you? "Pride goeth before the fall." politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2017 #39

We have to look at all Russian propaganda as such, information released by Wikileaks is trash, Thinkingabout Jul 2017 #27

I suppose it's too much to ask that this doesn't happen again. betsuni Jul 2017 #35

I know how you feel. calimary Jul 2017 #37

The ones I was dealing with weren't Trump supporters. betsuni Jul 2017 #45

I was dealing with some of those as well. calimary Jul 2017 #53

I hope someone's writing a book about it right now. betsuni Jul 2017 #59

+1, and it's still out there. R B Garr Jul 2017 #91

I've Wanted To Know Me. Jul 2017 #40

I can't wait to one day see an itemized list of "fake" news items we gullible Berniebros fell for. m-lekktor Jul 2017 #43

I don't think Bernie supporters on DU are representative of the millions of less informed pnwmom Jul 2017 #44

Honestly, why do you think every post is about you? You didn't fall for the Russian smear campaign emulatorloo Jul 2017 #65

+1 pnwmom Jul 2017 #66

But the comments in this thread show that the OP acted as an invite aikoaiko Jul 2017 #69

Pawn enid602 Jul 2017 #47

Some of them are still being used as pawns. murielm99 Jul 2017 #55

Taxes enid602 Jul 2017 #57

+1 murielm99 Jul 2017 #58

+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #60

Step up and curb his followers? aikoaiko Jul 2017 #70

It certainly is how it works. murielm99 Jul 2017 #75

+1. n/t DemSoc Jul 2017 #81

I don't think you've been paying attention to the different groups of Bernie supporters. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #82

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We Focus a Lot on the Election but the Russian Crap went on for some years before that JI7 Jul 2017 #73

Actual headline: Investigators explore if Russia colluded with pro-Trump sites during US election Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #77

A headline is merely what a headline writer chooses to highlight. I noticed something else. pnwmom Jul 2017 #84

I don't buy it from Mr.Mattes rockfordfile Jul 2017 #83

John Mattes is a brave man to admit that. He's owed our thanks for saying it out loud. Hekate Jul 2017 #86

I'm glad to hear that from one of the inside guys Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #89

And not a word from Senator Sanders. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #92

VT public Radio: ehrnst Feb 2018 #93