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In reply to the discussion: In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by attacking the Dem party from the left? [View all]R B Garr
(17,019 posts)550. Dozens of your own posts in this thread represent exactly
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In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by attacking the Dem party from the left? [View all]
stevenleser
Jul 2017
OP
50% or it was Nader not seeing "the big picture". 50% was THIS PARTY not seeing the big picture.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#446
They just simply don't give a damn - vanity is of the utmost importance to them.
kerry-is-my-prez
Jul 2017
#701
Hopefully, what is accomplished is informing would-be Green voters of how useless the Green
DanTex
Jul 2017
#15
More likely it will create another few decades of animosity from people whose support we could use.
Gore1FL
Jul 2017
#435
For some reason, I don't hear Green apologists use that same argument when it comes to
DanTex
Jul 2017
#481
Well then stop whimpering and whining about the poor Green Party's hurt feelings.
DanTex
Jul 2017
#587
Let's find a way to bridge that gap then between Dem candidates and would-be third-party voters.
Gore1FL
Jul 2017
#699
I consider winning the house and senate a success. Also winning the presidency.
DanTex
Jul 2017
#725
Don't expect them to listen to you then. And don't expect to make a positive difference.
Gore1FL
Jul 2017
#730
Exactly...they are the enemies of Democrats as much as Republicans. In fact Greens prefer
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#645
They did...I fail to see how some defend them. I can't stand them and get a bit irrational on the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#659
Some folks, Michael Moore among them, learn the lesson. He voted Nader. He wont make that mistake
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#85
We can't end the Greens by trying to browbeat Green voters into backing the Dem presidential ticket
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#344
Yes we have to stop pretending that Greens are potential allies...they are not and educate those
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#646
I agree...I think stimatizing them would help reduce their effectiveness ..no one wants to belong to
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#741
Yes Greens are akin to four year olds...it is true....the third party riffraff has no patience with
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#361
It isn't a good way to get independents or non-Democrats to vote for Dems, that's for sure.
alarimer
Jul 2017
#172
HRC had fantastic ideas and policy points. Hopefully you and everybody else here is familiar?
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#306
HRC DID have good ideas...and the fall platform(with many Sanders things added)was excellent
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#350
Ken: HRC brought tons of policy to the debates and to the campaign trail. Media minimized policy,
emulatorloo
Jul 2017
#387
The campaign didn't bring them to the ads...the ads were predominately about attacking Trump.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#392
Maybe. OTOH which Trump ads, speeches, debate appearances presented policy
emulatorloo
Jul 2017
#398
I don't defend the Trump ads on policy, and I don't defend the Trump campaign on anything.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#406
Neither does nominating liberals in red states like the three candidate Sen. Sanders endorsed. They
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#484
The greens gave us the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#191
THANK YOU. Green voters are unwittingly (or maybe wittingly) allies of GOP power-grab in the U.S.
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2017
#331
No doubt about it. And the fact that she frothed at the mouth whenever she spoke of HRC
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2017
#639
You say 'some' Democrats...sorry. Democrats are the only vehicle that get progressive policy e
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#647
Greens are spoilers... they cost Democrats elections...they throw elections to the Republicans
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#357
How can any thinking person not vote for any democrat, in any election, as if their
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#309
the country has been pushed to the left, but since the party was determined to stay center-right....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#5
i think the fact that so called progressives/liberals didn't vote for him proves they are not
JI7
Jul 2017
#21
i wonder why that is not much of a concern of those who attack the democratic party and use the
JI7
Jul 2017
#30
What I wonder is why it has not been a concern for the Democratic Party.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#32
it is a concern for the party and something the Obama admin and Clinton had worked on
JI7
Jul 2017
#35
first, they failed.....second, they didn't hang it around the neck of the republican party
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#46
Jill Stein kept the money for herself . her intention was never about counting the votes
JI7
Jul 2017
#49
Jill Stein was talking about the evils of Operation Crosscheck during the campaign...
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#55
you avoid my question...why was Jill Stein, and not Democrats attacking operation crosscheck.....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#59
Nader did lie about Gore . democrats need to be in power to get change. Charlie Crist was Governor
JI7
Jul 2017
#60
you still avoid the elephant in the room.....Democratic Party inaction on the REAL reason......
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#62
they do deserve to be called out for their lies. democrats in power in california HAVE made things
JI7
Jul 2017
#63
no state can win national elections by themselves . but California sure contributes a lot to doing
JI7
Jul 2017
#66
We have gone to court...it is very hard to do anything about state elections...when the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#174
I pontificate wherever I am...at this moment, I just happen to be behind a keyboard
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#349
Wow, a politician who criticizes another politician from another party during an election
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#214
There is no such thing as a 'Green Party"...they are Green spoilers...why do you
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#217
Hillary talked more about voting suppression than Stein or any other candidate.
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#84
Baloney- she talked about the Russian interference, minorities being targeted by crosscheck and
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#143
No, you are hijacking the OP. The question is, what accomplishments can you list from attacking the
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#97
OK, the main accomplishment is that people are waking up and seeing that the Democratic Party.....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#102
no willingness to change among the party upper echelon, but change is occurring nonetheless
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#106
Nope, it's not. You can try to wish something into existence that isn't there but it won't work.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#107
the Democratic Party misreads the electorate on a more fundamental level
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#108
Or folks who see things like you do fundamentally misread it. On the one hand you have history...
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#111
In the elections where a Democrat actually became President, and then was re-elected.....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#114
I love Al Gore....I consider him to be heroic....He is funny, he is smart....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#128
I guess he's thinking of the scene in The Blues Note bar in a Naked Gun movie.
betsuni
Jul 2017
#461
It is interesting that many blamed lefties who supported Gary Hart for Mondale's loss...this left
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#660
Your kidding yourself... Dukakis and Mondale were both liberal and branded as
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#674
But he was able to fight back by running to the center...also Perot helped as did Buchanan.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#722
Both Mondale and Dukakis were forced to move left...if your read about it...and lost badly.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#724
He fought back by having a rapid response team tha stopped the smears before they could work.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#729
not knowing how to talk about progressive issues in elections is political suicide
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#219
Oh please, that is totally not true...seriously I weary of this...No matter how you
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#239
I read an article he wrote which said we need to give up 'identity' problems...I disagree.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#255
I read an article but not a book...I wasn't impressed that much with his reasoning. so I didn't
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#271
Wrong again... I hate the Greens ET AL as do most Democrats forced to live under Trump
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#178
I support Democrats taking responsibility for their current situation.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#216
Yeah...you have nothing nice to say about Democrats. I get that. You give the Greens
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#220
Greens are irrelevant. Republicans stole the elections in both 2000 and 2016.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#242
what is obvious to any thinking person is that we should have been doing a full court press....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#142
is asking the Democratic Party to stand up and fight on this issue a third party strategy....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#518
I just don't care about third party candidates who get 1 or 2 percent of the votes
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#526
if you don't have the courage to stand by your words, why are we even talking?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#539
"blame Democrats for 3rd party lies" What does that statement even mean?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#555
I said that I promoted a courageous Democratic party in response to your statement....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#588
Show me the post number where I said that Democrats were "not courageous" or "out of touch"
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#593
You just aren't used to interacting with people who have a different point of view on this site
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#611
there is no conflict between defending unfair attacks on Bernie, and my hopes for the party
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#628
Very easy....you talk about it nonstop, and run ads condemning the practice.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#218
and you magically know in advance that no voters will be affected by that
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#263
And I don't think anyone gives a damn about this issue in fact it will be viewed as whining.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#652
I don't it is an issue that you can run on...and I think the GOP has convinced their people that
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#663
No, because they are not open to being convinced and this is not an issue that many other than thos
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#675
The DNC and HRCs campaign had calls for volunteers and court cases in every state where this was
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#386
Jill Stein said Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton...Jill Stein went to states where she
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#168
Your words not mine...it was a concerted effort Jill,Putin and Trump...with Comey
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#237
Yes it was. And the Greens are nothing but shitty spoilers...don't understand some
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#225
Didin't hear her do any of that. But I *did* hear her talk about the evils of Hillary Clinton.
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2017
#334
What I am hearing is "give me a reason to vote for that fill in the blank Democrat"
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#310
Interesting. First, you say Democrats blame everyone but themselves. Then you say voter suppression
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#77
Do you have evidence to back up the claim that they don't stand up to voter suppression?
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#115
Have you tried looking at all? It took me all of three minutes to find the following.
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#137
I can easily find many times that number of examples. But you want to know what would really help?
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#145
1. Gore won the vote in Florida with a full recount. K. Harris threw 173,000 voters off the rolls
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#148
Interesting how you aren't even disputing that Nader could have single-handedly caused Gore to win.
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#149
sure, and Bill Clinton could have gone on the campaign trail for Gore, and swung the election too.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#151
There is no evidence that would have helped (and it could have easily hurt). Not so with Nader.
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#155
Translation, until we do what you want, 100%, you will punish us and for that
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#311
Democrats are the party that couldn't landslide the most clownish, ridiculous candidate ever
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#320
Why will people who were so stupid to vote for Nader not take responsibility for their actions?
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#261
no, you are having to fight voter suppression efforts because Katherine Harris suppressed the vote
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#266
so, it is the job of third parties to prop up poorly performing major party candidates
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#273
So, many thousands were thrown off the voter rolls in 2000 and it had no effect
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#274
Yes, you got it. There is no answer for some folks other than blame Democrats.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#91
why should I take responsibility for it? what does it have to do with me?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#290
Again, your claims are not based on facts and you should consider working in the real world
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#316
this is a battle that needs to be won politically, it can never be won on the ground
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#319
Again, attempting to divert the topic with use of straw man arguments is a sign that you lost
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#374
I see that you came up with a different straw man or red herring to attempt to divert attention
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#599
If your method had ended vote suppression, I would accept your analysis
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#313
They sounded familiar because your imagination produces this sort of nonsense often.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#640
In your world, if I express my opinion....I am trying to force an alternate reality onto others
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#681
Parroting a politician isn't expressing an opinion. It is agreeing with that politician.
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#682
I understand the concept of incoherent and contradictory expression....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#687
So in your indirect way....are you saying that Gore was your first vote?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#717
I guess it wasn't that indirect.....it was simply a more elegant way of expressing it
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#718
on election night when Fox News set in motion the initial cascade of calls that Bush had won....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#735
I think the reframing to fit one politician's viewpoints are not the way to go, though.
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#743
Lakoff uses the word "moral" in terms of the differing viewpoints concerning right and wrong....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#747
it doesn't have anything to do with attacking Democrats, from the left or otherwise
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#758
So you are giving up on your silly clam that the SCOTUS was the reason for bush's win
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#766
it is Surreal to see you calling the SCOTUS theft of the election as a silly claim.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#768
you blame Nader for the Iraq War but not Democrats who voted for Authorization....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#772
you have picked out one person and one event and declared them solely responsible for an outcome....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#778
The concept of proximate causation and causation is covered in first year torts
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#779
The fact that you didn't pay attention in law school is none of my concern
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#780
you Scapegoat Nader for SCOTUS decisions that took place 10-13 years later
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#784
you do know that Roberts and Alito were appointed in Bush's second term?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#786
The only sad thing would be if you represent the view of the Democratic Party upper echelon.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#792
If you really are a Democrat, then why are you defending Nader and the greenies?
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#798
That has been your mistake, imagining that I am defending Nader and the Green Party
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#799
i can easily understand it . same reason george zimmerman got away with killing trayvon martin
JI7
Jul 2017
#44
Yeah tough decisions...first step throw Nina Turner out if she still calls herself a Democrat tell
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#568
The country has not moved to the left at all. If anything, it has moved to the right.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#96
You cannot defeat all of that data because you don't know how to talk to the voters in the center.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#231
You are ignoring the fact that it was Nader who gave us the gutting of the voting rights act
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#200
since the recount showed that when all ballots were counted in Florida, Gore won....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#562
Why do you not want to deal with facts? The facts show that Nader gave the election to W
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#564
When Gore got the most votes, did Nader force Republicans to steal the election?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#608
In your world, Gore got the most votes, Republicans stole the election, and you blame Nader
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#664
No one rational is buying your argument that the Republicans didn't steal the election
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#678
Why are you afraid to admit that Nader gave us the Iraq War, Citizens United and Shelby County case
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#760
Nader didn't cost Gore anything. Gore did not convince enough voters to satisfy you.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#762
Gore did not convince the people who voted for Nader to vote for him. That was his job, not Nader's.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#764
In the real world, the peer reviewed studies show that Nader cost Gore 27,000 net votes control
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#765
I don't need a "peer reviewed study" to realize that it is the job of the candidate to win votes
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#767
You are great at cutting and pasting, but you can't refute my argument
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#773
the platform is a lovely document.....much kicking and screaming in its creation
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#513
My contention is that Democrats have not learned how to talk to voters in the center....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#514
Sure that explains it all . It doesn't really explain the shift in the states to Republican
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#543
NO, we live in a center left country at best ...if we did this, we could face losses as bad
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#183
there is a left, and there is a right but there is a huge center, and that center can be persuaded
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#222
There is no center. such as shown..those who are not affiliated with one party or the other
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#256
I think we can improve our situation. We have a court case that has a shot at stopping the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#269
The Partisan Gerrymandering case is a very interesting case that I am following
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#286
As you know Justice Kennedy has long been opposed to gerrymandering or so he says.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#488
Chad Dunn is the outside counsel for the Texas Democratic Party and is a counsel in the Texas case
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#560
The Clintons pushed the party to the right in the '90s. It's time to rebalance.
Zen Democrat
Jul 2017
#7
Why, because losing three Presidential elections in a row by landslide proportions wasn't enough?
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#82
I am sorry that is not accurate. Even with Ross Perot running who took votes from the Pugs,
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#233
Exactly. Clinton played the only cards he could...the fact he tried for single payer healthcare
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#492
No they didn't...12 years of massive losses pushed the party to the center...and Bill
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#669
This proves that even during his FIRST campaign he was being accused of being too centrist.
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#68
They saw that he was black and so they had assumptions about him. But they changed their mind
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#75
not true, the so called leftists were supporting John Edwards and attacking OBama and Clinton
JI7
Jul 2017
#80
John Edwards was never a good lefty for those who actually care about where candidates stand on
JI7
Jul 2017
#93
He was never that very lefty - but somehow it didn't hurt him w Uber lefties lol
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#147
He DID a lot of things that were total non starters though. It's interesting to watch peope
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#258
No, many supported Kucinich. They were always worried that Obama was too conciliatory,
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#303
He never shifted. He campaigned on bringing both sides together, not on being to the left. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#67
I think you're mostly right, except that he retreated from some of the issues that lefties liked.
aikoaiko
Jul 2017
#70
The far left abandoned Pres. Obama and helped the GOP win in 10 because we didn't get single payer.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#670
people want to forget what went on through Obama's presidency and the attacks he got
JI7
Jul 2017
#48
What was accomplished? The country got pushed to the right, two wars, thousands
lunamagica
Jul 2017
#9
I wonder when they will finally see that. There is a lot of flailing under this OP by some folks
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#109
18 years since Nader announced his candidacy and started attacking Democrats
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#465
Of course not if you are Republican that is...you should encourage it as a means to win every
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#571
it's the majority of white people who have a problem with these issues and vote republican because
JI7
Jul 2017
#26
some people falsely claimed that "a certain person" chose between the two.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#34
The certain person built a campaign message that Democrats were ignoring them.
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#252
Yep. A certain person tried to say all racial inequality was economic class warfare.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#105
Nope, that's the folks attacking Democrats from the left. But I already said that in my OP. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#89
Tom, for the sake of Clarity, are folks attacking the Democratic Party the only ones allowed
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#468
The false equivalencies only gave more power to the republicans until Howard Dean came around and
still_one
Jul 2017
#33
Dean was right but the fact is the reason we had control then was because many of those democrats
JI7
Jul 2017
#37
The only way to push the Democratic party to the left is through organization and winning elections.
Yavin4
Jul 2017
#53
One's definition of ''left'' might mean a whole different thing to another. Define ''left".
YOHABLO
Jul 2017
#78
In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by the Dem party attacking the left?
quakerboy
Jul 2017
#86
No one has had a good response to the OP that justifies the attacks on the party from the left yet.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#94
Also too, I'd like to know where this Neoliberal Establishment Democratic Party is.
betsuni
Jul 2017
#99
You wouldn't if you didn't want to try to distract from the question in my OP. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#113
As I said to the other poster, if your viewpoint is threatened by the question
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#124
You only characterize it thusly because it threatens your entrenched views. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#126
That you can't or won't answer...what good has come from attacking Democrats?
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#494
the extreme left is no different than the extrerme right....their ideology has always been the
beachbum bob
Jul 2017
#158
The so called left has enabled the GOP and enacted GOP policies...mostly Greens and other
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#162
I did answer the question. Elections are run by states...and GOP states are using crosscheck so
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#211
We lost with a gerrymander and because of the alt left often...third party riffraff.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#184
The left generally criticized Dean for that...and were adamant about not having him
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#253
Okay, more Dems voted for GEORGE W. BUSH in Florida than Ralph Nader that year.
alarimer
Jul 2017
#247
Why did you leave out gerrymandering and voter suppression? You think everyone doesn't know by now!?
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#213
I run left but understand the need to elect Democrats...but green riffraff and other third party
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#495
I see it completely different ...I see the Democratic Party under attack from the right and the left
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#567
You already went away sadly...have you looked at the 2016 election carefully?
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#185
No, LGBTQ organizations deserve credit for LGBTQ equality, not Nader and Stein.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#199
nice try. I said nothing about Nader and Stein. You attacked "the left" in general.
Voltaire2
Jul 2017
#410
Nope, that is your straw man. My OP was about those who attack Democrats from the left
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#418
I don't care about the third party left or the green riffraff... the Democratic left
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#497
Nader gave us the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#188
FDR put people in camps. That is a fact...and his vision is almost 100 years old
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#499
The "The New Deal" was only for White folks. And Johnson enacted medicaid and medicare... not
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#720
What I posted was not opinion. These were things that happened under Roosevelt...including
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#732
all of the ones that didn't apply to POC or women...rights are meaningless without equality.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#738
Actually, I adore Roosevelt. He was a great man. He saved this country and was
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#740
We never had all those rights...even if we were white in during those years and POC had no such
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#746
The burden is on you to prove that.Its much easier to show evidence the other way.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#206
You consider the election of Trump moving the party to the left or slowing the move to the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#502
the fostering of divisiveness within the Democratic bloc has done a disservice to us all
fishwax
Jul 2017
#210
After Nader and Stein, those of us who actually want to stop Republicans from being elected
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#215
Yeah, certainly there is a small but not insignificant block of folks who don't get that
fishwax
Jul 2017
#291
Good questions. I've been asking a similar question for month, still with no answer:
George II
Jul 2017
#221
You can keep ignoring us if you want, but we'll keep organizing and building
DemocraticWing
Jul 2017
#428
Opinion articles won't help you. Statistics show zero movement in the voters' opinion of Socialism.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#429
You're using a poll that compares 2016 to 2010, but modern opinions have shifted post-2000.
DemocraticWing
Jul 2017
#430
Right that is why had Bush and now Trump because we are so far left...socialist and all.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#508
In the spring of 2016, the polls showed 55% saying they'd vote for a candidate who said he was.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#454
Yes, of course it has. Because these more left leaning groups offer an alternative to voters. They
JCanete
Jul 2017
#278
There is no 'alternative' to Democrats...unless you want to elect Republicans.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#504
the alternative is a vote that tells the Democratic party where you stand. There is no democracy
JCanete
Jul 2017
#541
The "attacks" from the left on the Dem establishment do NOT REACH the large majority of the
vkkv
Jul 2017
#279
That is bs...and the left helped the GOP pull the country right by enabling GOP majorities.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#505
A con man stole these divisive talking points and now look how empty they are
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#330
At the time it happened, progressives were totally silenced and powerless WITHIN this party.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#341
It's always a sign that you are losing the argument when you resort to personal abuse.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#397
It's personal abuse to claim I don't live in the real world and don't know practical politics.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#420
I live in the real world-it's just that I disagree with you on what's possible in this world.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#436
Ken-I strongly disagree with your silly platform because it will not work win the real world
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#440
I'm not scared to post in the other thread. Most of the posters there agree with me.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#448
The posters on that thread did not agree with you and the fact that you believe that amuses me
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#451
The African-American voters voted against Perriello because he was anti-choice in the far past.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#456
They did not vote for perriello in my opinion because Northam was better established and endorsed
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#515
More like liberal candidates lost in the 70's and 80's so maybe a centrist might have a chance and
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#573
Do you mean those who criticized from the left from WITHIN the Party or from outside the Party?
George II
Jul 2017
#384
Statistics can be used to present any viewpoint. But your comments are a bit off...
George II
Jul 2017
#409
The claims that it's the democrats fault that congressional and state legislative races were lost
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#474
Is what the democratic party is still doing working, is also a valid question that has to be asked,
JCanete
Jul 2017
#546
I think there was a father and daughter team that personified Nader, Stein and the like
DFW
Jul 2017
#393
Veruca Salt is a pretty good analogy for those who attack Democrats from the left nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#421
We had no right to expect those people to just support our ticket no matter how far right it went.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#444
More attempts to distract from the question in the OP that is a very simple one. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#472
You mean no positive accomplishments that you will accept, but unless you're going to effectively
JCanete
Jul 2017
#547
So, where is the list of positive things Dems have accomplished since Trump took office?
vkkv
Jul 2017
#565
Of course Russia, voter suppression and Comey is left out of this critique because ...
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#662
Sorry, can't add much. I have come to hate the alt-left and everything they are with the heat of
Blue_true
Jul 2017
#427
So you couldn't answer the question in the OP but felt compelled to respond
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#466
You are 100% wrong. It's a question that should always be asked. I'm surprised I even need to say
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#569
My suggestion is to move the country left before the party moves left so we can actually win
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#523
Thank you. Running candidates who can't win is a waste of time. Primarying Joe Manchin for example
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#644
They took their ball and went home...here is hoping they suffer 1000 times more
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#540
Stop ignoring the fact that the changes that the Clintons brought to the party are why we are
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#616
That is so true. I am so so sick of the bashing of Clinton. He tried to get single payer health care
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#650
for the past couple of days this thread keeps showing up at the top of the Latest page
Kali
Jul 2017
#545
8+years of damage to the environment and extinction & mass killing of wildlife. I will never forgive
kerry-is-my-prez
Jul 2017
#700
We didn't need Nader or Stein for that. There was ample proof for the non-feebleminded before. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#806