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Lee-Lee

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21. Many criminal investigations start with hearsay
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 12:26 AM
Jul 2017

It's a totally different standard than testifying in court.

You can't testify to hearsay in court.

You can take what would be considered hearsay in court, investigate it and find more hard facts and first hand witness and get a conviction.

A whole lot of criminal investigations start with "word is that xxxxx" or "people are saying xxxx" from informants. That would fly as testimony in court but it's enough to look in and see if there is validity.

I'm not sure why some want to keep bringing up this topic. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1
... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #2
I don't think you are asleep at the wheel. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #3
Mortgage fraud is a very easy thing to prove/disprove. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #4
Nonsense. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #15
Do your clients misrepresent their income by up to 50%?? R B Garr Jul 2017 #20
What assets are you talking about? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #22
Don't you get a mortgage for an asset? Like R B Garr Jul 2017 #23
The appraiser sets the value of the asset. The underwriter approves/accepts the appraisal. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #25
I personally know someone who went to prison on a stated income mortgage fraud loan AngryAmish Jul 2017 #27
Very powerful people?? Toensing?? karynnj Jul 2017 #44
There is a wide gap between a self employed person income estimate and what is alleged here Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #32
And maybe there is a wide gap between what people said before the collapse and after the collapse. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #34
Bernie Sanders throws the term "fraud" around very loosely. R B Garr Jul 2017 #38
I wouldn't go so far as to accuse the prospective donors of fraud. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #45
It looks like some of this might turn on how or if those pledges were R B Garr Jul 2017 #47
Arguing Bradley Toensing's side of this nonsense is also wishful thinking. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #52
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #54
It would be normal for the President to take as fact a gift listed by her CFO karynnj Jul 2017 #46
Yes, they had received at least $100k from Maietta. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #51
No. This was pledges and there will be documentation or the bank is in trouble. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #40
Exactly, on everything you said. It looks like the OP posted this again R B Garr Jul 2017 #43
Yeah, the idea that this is all hearsay and a witch hunt is untrue. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #48
I suspect the FDIC Inspector General is looking at the bank underwriting piece. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #50
How typical to attack people for discussing an ongoing fraud investigation. R B Garr Jul 2017 #53
Stake? It is a discussion. As one who has taken out many mortgages and fought off Bank of America Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55
Why don't these guys start suing? Maybe they would at least slow down a little. blueinredohio Jul 2017 #5
Sue who? For what? Adrahil Jul 2017 #7
I know... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #6
I don't actually believe Sanders' office would pressure the bank. LisaM Jul 2017 #8
I don't think his office would have the clout to pressure a bank. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #10
I think she was mis-cast as a university head. LisaM Jul 2017 #26
I am not saying Sen. Sanders did anything wrong, but any sitting Sen. has clout. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #39
That is a huge "if". NCTraveler Jul 2017 #41
He is beloved in Vermont. He does have clout which doesn't mean he used it... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #49
I really disagree that he had clout. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #56
I think any Senator has clout...it is a respected job... so we will just have to disagree. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #57
"got his information from Republican ..." left-of-center2012 Jul 2017 #9
Partner with digenova and Toensing. elleng Jul 2017 #11
Poorly written article. The hearsay was the part where Bernie supposedly pressured the bank for the seaglass Jul 2017 #12
... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #13
It's late. Might want to think about calling it a night. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #16
In the real world this is how these matters are handled Gothmog Jul 2017 #19
Putting inaccurate information on a mortgage application is a federal crime. There is no Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #37
The problem for the Sanders is that we have a Republican justice department...anyone Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #42
The probe into Flynnghazi started as an attack on Obama for 2012 re election. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #14
I think this is as much bullshit as the Hillary Bengazi bullshit GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #17
The FBI according to numerous accounts is actively investigating this complaint Gothmog Jul 2017 #18
This is not an investigation. It's a security review. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #24
Federal Bureau of Security Reviews nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #28
Do you have support for this assertion Gothmog Jul 2017 #29
Really? Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #33
Many criminal investigations start with hearsay Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #21
There is evidently a real investigation here Gothmog Jul 2017 #30
Yup Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #31
This has been posted before and again this article deals with the allegation against Sen. Sanders. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #35
... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #36
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