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Hassin Bin Sober

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25. The appraiser sets the value of the asset. The underwriter approves/accepts the appraisal.
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 01:06 AM
Jul 2017

The client doesn't set the value.

Now ask a a self employed business owner how much they earn and the number isn't going to be what an underwriter might calculate the income at.

Example: a client earned $50k in 2015 and $300k in 2016.

Is he lying if he, states on a 2017 "stated income" loan application he earns $300k?

The underwriter is going to call his income as a two year average of $175k. It gets even more complicated when you calculate in unreimbursed business expenses and paper losses/expenses (depreciation on real estate) that aren't really losses.

No one is going to jail if that file gets audited and the customer's opinion of their own income doesn't match the traditional underwriting guidelines.

The time for due diligence is BEFORE the loan is made. Not ask for some open ended and open to interpretation of what is a bonafide donation promise and have it provided at closing.

This whole thing sounds like a "stated income" loan to me. The bank was probably ok with a loose interpretation because they were only in the loan for 60% and the church was holding the note for 40%.

The bank could have asked for a more concrete accounting of proposed donations. They didn't. It's obvious they don't feel they were defrauded. The Tensing/Digenova family of Benghazi fame is making the beef.

I'm not sure why some want to keep bringing up this topic. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1
... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #2
I don't think you are asleep at the wheel. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #3
Mortgage fraud is a very easy thing to prove/disprove. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #4
Nonsense. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #15
Do your clients misrepresent their income by up to 50%?? R B Garr Jul 2017 #20
What assets are you talking about? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #22
Don't you get a mortgage for an asset? Like R B Garr Jul 2017 #23
The appraiser sets the value of the asset. The underwriter approves/accepts the appraisal. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #25
I personally know someone who went to prison on a stated income mortgage fraud loan AngryAmish Jul 2017 #27
Very powerful people?? Toensing?? karynnj Jul 2017 #44
There is a wide gap between a self employed person income estimate and what is alleged here Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #32
And maybe there is a wide gap between what people said before the collapse and after the collapse. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #34
Bernie Sanders throws the term "fraud" around very loosely. R B Garr Jul 2017 #38
I wouldn't go so far as to accuse the prospective donors of fraud. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #45
It looks like some of this might turn on how or if those pledges were R B Garr Jul 2017 #47
Arguing Bradley Toensing's side of this nonsense is also wishful thinking. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #52
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #54
It would be normal for the President to take as fact a gift listed by her CFO karynnj Jul 2017 #46
Yes, they had received at least $100k from Maietta. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #51
No. This was pledges and there will be documentation or the bank is in trouble. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #40
Exactly, on everything you said. It looks like the OP posted this again R B Garr Jul 2017 #43
Yeah, the idea that this is all hearsay and a witch hunt is untrue. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #48
I suspect the FDIC Inspector General is looking at the bank underwriting piece. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #50
How typical to attack people for discussing an ongoing fraud investigation. R B Garr Jul 2017 #53
Stake? It is a discussion. As one who has taken out many mortgages and fought off Bank of America Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55
Why don't these guys start suing? Maybe they would at least slow down a little. blueinredohio Jul 2017 #5
Sue who? For what? Adrahil Jul 2017 #7
I know... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #6
I don't actually believe Sanders' office would pressure the bank. LisaM Jul 2017 #8
I don't think his office would have the clout to pressure a bank. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #10
I think she was mis-cast as a university head. LisaM Jul 2017 #26
I am not saying Sen. Sanders did anything wrong, but any sitting Sen. has clout. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #39
That is a huge "if". NCTraveler Jul 2017 #41
He is beloved in Vermont. He does have clout which doesn't mean he used it... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #49
I really disagree that he had clout. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #56
I think any Senator has clout...it is a respected job... so we will just have to disagree. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #57
"got his information from Republican ..." left-of-center2012 Jul 2017 #9
Partner with digenova and Toensing. elleng Jul 2017 #11
Poorly written article. The hearsay was the part where Bernie supposedly pressured the bank for the seaglass Jul 2017 #12
... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #13
It's late. Might want to think about calling it a night. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #16
In the real world this is how these matters are handled Gothmog Jul 2017 #19
Putting inaccurate information on a mortgage application is a federal crime. There is no Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #37
The problem for the Sanders is that we have a Republican justice department...anyone Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #42
The probe into Flynnghazi started as an attack on Obama for 2012 re election. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #14
I think this is as much bullshit as the Hillary Bengazi bullshit GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #17
The FBI according to numerous accounts is actively investigating this complaint Gothmog Jul 2017 #18
This is not an investigation. It's a security review. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #24
Federal Bureau of Security Reviews nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #28
Do you have support for this assertion Gothmog Jul 2017 #29
Really? Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #33
Many criminal investigations start with hearsay Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #21
There is evidently a real investigation here Gothmog Jul 2017 #30
Yup Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #31
This has been posted before and again this article deals with the allegation against Sen. Sanders. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #35
... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #36
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