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In reply to the discussion: What good is economic justice, if I don't have the social justice to access and keep it? [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)67. pointing out that they are thinking about it wrong is not the problem, nor should you have
gotten that from my post, since I said we need to show them they are being played. I did not at all suggest that it was more important to sympathize with these people, since we are talking about effectively and successfully undoing what has been done. I don't agree that there is a path forward that doesn't break the stranglehold on the message that big money has, and if you don't take on big money, it doesn't matter if white people will soon enough if not already, be the minority...a new way of dividing people on social lines will emerge or resurface, because there is a financial and power oriented incentive to make that happen. If we don't take away some of that power, and just fight our battles at the bottom against the ignorant masses we are going to continue to lose on class and social issues. We are paying no attention to the man behind the curtain.
So yes, of course these attitudes have been nurtured, but what are the power-bases role in that nurturing, and furthermore, what was the underlying agenda? What is the value they see in this? Sure, there are actually racist people and that is so much a part of their identity that it dictates their actions, but more often than not, its mostly about retaining power, and retaining and amassing more wealth. Make them the reason people are suffering and with that, deflate the nonsense people are grasping at to make sense of their world. Give them something that they can imagine actually helping them and they won't need to just lash out at the "culprit." They'll accept this new culprit in its place because there is an actual prize to be had...that's assuming we present such legislation and blame the people who are in the pockets of corporations on those things being blocked.
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What good is economic justice, if I don't have the social justice to access and keep it? [View all]
sheshe2
Jul 2017
OP
+++++ "Economic justice does not necessarily include social justice."+++++ I think some are
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#9
Nobody shouts it as loudly as Sanders himself (note present tense). We all saw what we saw...
Hekate
Jul 2017
#55
No he didn't. It was a lie, and one that probably helped Trump win. nt
redgreenandblue
Jul 2017
#108
He wasn't the candidate ...except for endorsing and supporitng Sen. Clinton his opinions
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#111
To assume that anyone who earns a good living denied someone else economic justice is ridiculous.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#112
I'm not excluding other social minorities just I know PoC who are well off and it doesn't ...
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#118
Handing control over the economy to the 1% is the best route to racial equality.
kristopher
Jul 2017
#4
Having unequal access to the economy ... IS ... handing it over to the 1% just in another name
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#7
Yes, we need both but not economic equality first ... that's illogical given reality of PoC who
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#116
I agree with you...Roosevelt as I pointed out did much to lower income inequality but it was
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#120
It really is...they had pretty decent assets but lost them all due to bigotry....and many never got
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#135
You have to have both...without social equality, you won't share in economic equality...for example
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#114
some here have opined that economic justice is more important than social justice which
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#115
Read this thread...there are post that reflect the view that economics trump social justice right
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#136
No, this is happening RIGHT NOW today !!! There's no equality in us justice system NOT AT ALL
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#117
The inverse is 100% ... NOT ... true at all empirically or by simple logic. One can be a billionaire
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#19
There is no economic justice without social justice, so the question is a contradiction.
Lucky Luciano
Jul 2017
#32
Not tru for every person. There can be econ justice for some. While social justice lags and keeps
boston bean
Jul 2017
#91
KnR, sheshe. Social justice is not embedded in economic justice, nor does it follow from it...
Hekate
Jul 2017
#42
it doesn't follow from it directly, but you can't pretend that in a world where people are
JCanete
Jul 2017
#47
Why is it so hard to accept that we need the social justice message to lead the...
Hekate
Jul 2017
#52
we agree they go hand and hand. The reason you don't solely lead with the social justice is
JCanete
Jul 2017
#63
You have it backwards. You can't pretend that economic equality will erase social injustice.
kcr
Jul 2017
#124
I didn't say it would, but I did suggest that fighting back in this class war, if we use the right
JCanete
Jul 2017
#127
That bit about getting patted on the head and being told to wait our turn got reeeeeeeal old...
Hekate
Jul 2017
#78
no good. Can you though, present a scenario where you get social justice without addressing
JCanete
Jul 2017
#45
but who is doing this? The closest thing you have to suggesting that this is a liberal tendency is
JCanete
Jul 2017
#50
pointing out that they are thinking about it wrong is not the problem, nor should you have
JCanete
Jul 2017
#67
that I dont know who its addressing here? Its a suggestion that some of us, and I'm not sure who,
JCanete
Jul 2017
#71
It is a conservative meme, that I again, double down on, is not being borrowed by Sanders
JCanete
Jul 2017
#76
when I said who is doing this, who were you referencing? I got the impression you were referencing
JCanete
Jul 2017
#79
It is very clear and simple Sheshe2. I have to believe those that still cannot grasp what is being
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#101
Take economic justice off the table, and you make elections exclusively about social justice.
killbotfactory
Jul 2017
#126