What good is economic justice, if I don't have the social justice to access and keep it?

[Nevernose]

72. But that's what I'm trying to say:

"If you do not have the means to hold on to your economic justice due to not being allowed access to social justice then it becomes a moot point"

I believe that the difference between economic and social justice is artificial, that economic justice is a subset of social justice, just another type of civil right. It's the same thing.

For instance, what good is the right to choose an abortion if one cannot afford the procedure? Of what use is the right to vote if one cannot afford to take the day off from one's two-and-a-half jobs to exercise it? Of what use is a law preventing workplace discrimination against trans people if there isn't a job for that person to go to? Of what use is freedom of religion if one is live no n their car? Isn't one of the first things to come up in a discussion about feminism the glass ceiling and pay disparity? (Insert MLK and Malcolm X quotes about affording to eat at the lunch counter here )

I think one of the problems that we -- liberals -- get into sometimes is comparing oppression as f it were a competition. You can clearly come up with counter examples to everything in my previous paragraph, and then I could do the same, ad infinitum. But it's not a competition. Saying "don't let economic justice interfere with social justice" seems, to me at least, no different than saying "don't let feminism interfere with my racial justice" or "don't let GLBTQ rights interfere with my feminism."

There are, indeed, people out there who believe that their particular social justice interest outweighs all others, and I would be lying if I didn't say that socialist-types tend to harp on economic issues. However, I also think it's unfair to then try and separate that issue from the others. Economics are part of the intersection, and it seems like many people would prefer to ignore economics in favor of whatever their "pet" issue is ("pet issue" is an insulting term, but I can't come up with anything better right now), and vice versa. We can't let extremists from either or any liberal extreme divide us.

I also think that you and me and most legit DUers are probably in total agreement on most of these social justice issues, and our disagreements are more about style and salesmanship. Shalom!