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What good is economic justice, if I don't have the social justice to access and keep it? [View all] sheshe2 Jul 2017 OP

Exactly. Economic Justice that cannot be accessed MineralMan Jul 2017 #1

+ 1000 sheshe2 Jul 2017 #2

+++++ "Economic justice does not necessarily include social justice."+++++ I think some are YCHDT Jul 2017 #9

Yes. Part of the flaw of the Sanders campaign was focusing MineralMan Jul 2017 #10

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #13

He minimized the importance of social justice, in favor of MineralMan Jul 2017 #14

No, he didn't. But you were certainly shouting that meme from the rooftops. kristopher Jul 2017 #16

Yes he did ... even afterwards mentioning we shouldn't be so PC or some shit YCHDT Jul 2017 #20

stop rewriting history, I saw and heard it all myself. JHan Jul 2017 #24

Not only are you refightig the primary, but you're rewriting history bettyellen Jul 2017 #29

Nobody shouts it as loudly as Sanders himself (note present tense). We all saw what we saw... Hekate Jul 2017 #55

No he didn't. It was a lie, and one that probably helped Trump win. nt redgreenandblue Jul 2017 #108

Not probably melman Jul 2017 #109

He wasn't the candidate ...except for endorsing and supporitng Sen. Clinton his opinions Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #111

It was sad and frustrating to see that then mcar Jul 2017 #46

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I see. Thanks, and welcome to DU. MineralMan Jul 2017 #130

Well, I guess it's not to be... MineralMan Jul 2017 #137

IMHO that is incorrect, they are bound together. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2017 #39

One can be had without the other, ask a rich POC YCHDT Jul 2017 #105

To assume that anyone who earns a good living denied someone else economic justice is ridiculous. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #112

I'm not excluding other social minorities just I know PoC who are well off and it doesn't ... YCHDT Jul 2017 #118

We agree then. We need both. I misunderstood your post. Sorry. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #119

Rec rec rec rec rec lunasun Jul 2017 #3

Handing control over the economy to the 1% is the best route to racial equality. kristopher Jul 2017 #4

Kindly point out where in my OP that I suggest... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #6

Having unequal access to the economy ... IS ... handing it over to the 1% just in another name YCHDT Jul 2017 #7

Unequal access is often caused by bigotry. Social justice issues Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #113

Yes, we need both but not economic equality first ... that's illogical given reality of PoC who YCHDT Jul 2017 #116

I agree with you...Roosevelt as I pointed out did much to lower income inequality but it was Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #120

Japanese internment is an excellent example YCHDT Jul 2017 #134

It really is...they had pretty decent assets but lost them all due to bigotry....and many never got Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #135

So true !!! If the economic equality can just be confiscated what good is it !?!? YCHDT Jul 2017 #5

Or the re-enslavement of human beings... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #12

Very good example YCHDT Jul 2017 #21

If you have "equality" but you're dirt poor, what good is THAT? whathehell Jul 2017 #31

You have to have both...without social equality, you won't share in economic equality...for example Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #114

K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jul 2017 #11

DoBois' "Black Reconstruction" Nevernose Jul 2017 #15

Economic and social justice go hand in hand, but are clearly not the same. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #18

In the days of Reconstruction, you did not have the means whathehell Jul 2017 #40

We learned the contrary during the protests brer cat Jul 2017 #64

Our past. Our Present. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #83

++++++++++++++++ well said JHan Jul 2017 #84

I'm not pretending.anything.. whathehell Jul 2017 #90

Try reading: Slavery By Another Name sheshe2 Jul 2017 #68

the killer is.. JHan Jul 2017 #85

I didn't realize reason.com was Libertarian... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #86

Yes... JHan Jul 2017 #87

I don't think anyone, whathehell Jul 2017 #88

Yet no one here is saying not to pursue economic justice. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #92

And again, no one here is saying not to pursue social justice.. whathehell Jul 2017 #94

Yet it is not the one at the forefront. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #96

I'm not sure what makes you say that.. whathehell Jul 2017 #99

This thread melman Jul 2017 #110

Yeah..I think you may be right.. whathehell Jul 2017 #133

some here have opined that economic justice is more important than social justice which Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #115

Oh, well no on HERE says it, so no big deal /sarcasm kcr Jul 2017 #121

No one I know or know OF....How's that? whathehell Jul 2017 #131

Read this thread...there are post that reflect the view that economics trump social justice right Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #136

'Right-to-Work' fleabiscuit Jul 2017 #107

"Right to work"...What about it? whathehell Jul 2017 #132

No, this is happening RIGHT NOW today !!! There's no equality in us justice system NOT AT ALL YCHDT Jul 2017 #117

But that's what I'm trying to say: Nevernose Jul 2017 #72

Quote: sheshe2 Jul 2017 #102

The inverse is 100% ... NOT ... true at all empirically or by simple logic. One can be a billionaire YCHDT Jul 2017 #19

Tell that to Susan Sarandon and Cornel West Nevernose Jul 2017 #74

Sheshe thank you for this article. irisblue Jul 2017 #17

K&R Jamaal510 Jul 2017 #22

Thank you Jamaal. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #23

"Slavery by Another Name" mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #25

I am over half way through it now. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #30

Excellent Question & OP Me. Jul 2017 #26

Well said me. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #33

Yes yes yes yes! and... JHan Jul 2017 #27

Yes, JHan... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #35

Plus Me. Jul 2017 #41

Let alone get affordable heath care for them thanks to the GOP's sheshe2 Jul 2017 #61

Precisely Me. Jul 2017 #62

K&R mcar Jul 2017 #28

There is no economic justice without social justice, so the question is a contradiction. Lucky Luciano Jul 2017 #32

Not tru for every person. There can be econ justice for some. While social justice lags and keeps boston bean Jul 2017 #91

If others are being kept down, then I doubt there is economic justice. Lucky Luciano Jul 2017 #98

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Any further thoughts, scerderbler? nt Hekate Jul 2017 #43

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And how is this "onward to the past," scerbderbler? Hekate Jul 2017 #56

???? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #70

Heh Hekate Jul 2017 #80

Ya sheshe2 Jul 2017 #82

Oh, is there something that explains everything then, Hortensis Jul 2017 #58

This post explains everything we need to know about YOU. johnp3907 Jul 2017 #65

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Truth. nt LexVegas Jul 2017 #36

K&R sheshe nt Quayblue Jul 2017 #37

K&R DesertRat Jul 2017 #38

KnR, sheshe. Social justice is not embedded in economic justice, nor does it follow from it... Hekate Jul 2017 #42

it doesn't follow from it directly, but you can't pretend that in a world where people are JCanete Jul 2017 #47

Why is it so hard to accept that we need the social justice message to lead the... Hekate Jul 2017 #52

we agree they go hand and hand. The reason you don't solely lead with the social justice is JCanete Jul 2017 #63

You have it backwards. You can't pretend that economic equality will erase social injustice. kcr Jul 2017 #124

I didn't say it would, but I did suggest that fighting back in this class war, if we use the right JCanete Jul 2017 #127

That we do Hekate sheshe2 Jul 2017 #75

That bit about getting patted on the head and being told to wait our turn got reeeeeeeal old... Hekate Jul 2017 #78

Sadly some still live decades ago. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #97

no good. Can you though, present a scenario where you get social justice without addressing JCanete Jul 2017 #45

the way you show people... JHan Jul 2017 #48

but who is doing this? The closest thing you have to suggesting that this is a liberal tendency is JCanete Jul 2017 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author JHan Jul 2017 #54

reposting my reply: JHan Jul 2017 #57

pointing out that they are thinking about it wrong is not the problem, nor should you have JCanete Jul 2017 #67

so .... JHan Jul 2017 #69

that I dont know who its addressing here? Its a suggestion that some of us, and I'm not sure who, JCanete Jul 2017 #71

really? JHan Jul 2017 #73

It is a conservative meme, that I again, double down on, is not being borrowed by Sanders JCanete Jul 2017 #76

you do realise.. JHan Jul 2017 #77

when I said who is doing this, who were you referencing? I got the impression you were referencing JCanete Jul 2017 #79

I didn't need Sanders to tell me the importance of these issues.. JHan Jul 2017 #81

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2017 #49

Why do conservatives always insist that it's either/or? Warpy Jul 2017 #51

As you can see from this thread, Warpy, it's not just conservatives nt Hekate Jul 2017 #53

WHY THE FUCK CAN'T WE HAVE BOTH?!?!? Lunabell Jul 2017 #59

We could for ALL if social justice comes first. boston bean Jul 2017 #89

Right I don't see how this simplicity is so missed!!!! YCHDT Jul 2017 #106

The nation with the courage to secure one will also be securing the other. Orsino Jul 2017 #60

Excellent OP, sheshe. brer cat Jul 2017 #66

Justice doesn't exist without social justice ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #93

"Justice doesn't exist without social justice" sheshe2 Jul 2017 #95

Exactly! ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #100

I love your wisdom, ism. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #103

It is very clear and simple Sheshe2. I have to believe those that still cannot grasp what is being pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #101

Your post is spot on. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #123

K&R NYResister Jul 2017 #122

Divisive post. ZX86 Jul 2017 #125

Take economic justice off the table, and you make elections exclusively about social justice. killbotfactory Jul 2017 #126

I can see it now. ZX86 Jul 2017 #128

yeah...those pesky human rights issue...just get in the way...sarcasm. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #138