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InAbLuEsTaTe

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174. It's simple, check out any Bernie Sanders speech... it's all right there, plain as day.

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:55 AM

Jul 2017

That doesn't make me a so-called "Sanders progressive," as you suggest, but rather, a TRUE progressive. Bernie just has our back... and he's not a "finger in the wind" Johnny- or Janey-come-lately to the political revolution we all want to see take place.

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To some, acting to push the Democratic Party further to the left is "hijacking the party" [View all] virtualobserver Jul 2017 OP

If you are advocating voting for Green, starting your own party or not NYResister Jul 2017 #1

I am not advocating any of those things virtualobserver Jul 2017 #3

That's entirely clear from your post... I get your point. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #34

You nailed it and it's all about rainy Jul 2017 #40

Yes, you got that right... it's ALL about the money... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #41

And it comes down the the choice of which money trail is more philanthropic lambchopp59 Jul 2017 #152

Our Party has some of the same problems the Republicans do. Dustlawyer Jul 2017 #59

We got one problem the Repukes don't... they're in control of every level of the Federal Goverment InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #86

I worry the dems will never have influence again, the electoral process is so compromised. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2017 #124

I think many Sanders progressives are reactionaries who just keep delisen Jul 2017 #141

It's simple, check out any Bernie Sanders speech... it's all right there, plain as day. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #174

Look at you, just two weeks old today ! KTM Jul 2017 #116

Why are you making this about me, personally? NYResister Jul 2017 #130

Well, many of us have been here for 15 years KTM Jul 2017 #134

And you are correct about that. It is clearly stated in the TOS. Everyone should know this whether lunamagica Jul 2017 #156

Thank you. NYResister Jul 2017 #162

... lunamagica Jul 2017 #163

No, s/he is not deciding who gets tossesd out. S/he is reffering to the TOS, which clearly states lunamagica Jul 2017 #155

Bullshit. KTM Jul 2017 #167

Furthermore, where the hell do you think you are pushing NYResister Jul 2017 #2

ending the war on drugs, pushing for single payer, reversing the privatization of prisons virtualobserver Jul 2017 #5

Good start! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #35

the Green party does not support liberal policies JI7 Jul 2017 #4

I'm not here to advocate voting Green... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #6

my point is their goal is to hurt democrats and help republicans to win JI7 Jul 2017 #7

I have never met a member of the Green Party who felt that way. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #8

the fucking country isn't liberal enough. they keep going after the only party which does anything JI7 Jul 2017 #9

the country grows more liberal with liberal leadership virtualobserver Jul 2017 #10

they do . but you still need to win. look at the attacks on pelosi who IS a liberal from those who JI7 Jul 2017 #13

the attacks on Pelosi are easily countered by simply stating her record.... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #16

if they don't knwo about pelosi's background then they don't care for actually getting liberal JI7 Jul 2017 #19

it is our job to persuade. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #20

Really? Because "Our Revolution" is supporting a candidate who is primarying Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #38

That is Democracy. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #52

Democracy...IE enabliing the GOP and wasting valuable resources on fighting Democrats instead of the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55

No it doesn't. That is completely not true. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #31

Democrats have lost the ability to persuade because they are addicted to poll testing ideas..... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #43

I consider this post to be a talking point...and kind of meaningless. What are you saying? Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #63

leadership involves presenting ideas that are not yet supported by the population.... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #71

Oh so we run on unpopular ideas that will cause us to lose elections and give the GOP endless Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #84

The Green Party nominated Stein, NYResister Jul 2017 #11

The "we don't want your votes" strategy.....Sounds like a winner. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #12

we aren't going to win the votes of people who find Trump appealing JI7 Jul 2017 #14

no Greens that I know find Trump anything other than disgusting. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #18

How did these Greens feel about HRC? About Booker or Pelosi? Be honest please.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #131

"We won't give you our votes, we would rather see fascist Trump win"...not Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #32

you proved the point of my post virtualobserver Jul 2017 #61

The ideas, I mostly agree with. What I don't like is the attacks on the Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #62

The Green Party is not liberal and they don't give a damn about the environment. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #27

I have never seen any evidence to support what you are saying virtualobserver Jul 2017 #42

You must admit though that Greens go after Dems with their rhetoric way more than... brush Jul 2017 #47

they are out there.....they only get coverage in close elections when they are condemned.... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #50

They've been out there for a while. Why no successful candidates locally, statewide... brush Jul 2017 #53

our system crushes third parties virtualobserver Jul 2017 #60

So no work in the years between presidential cycles to build a grassroots... brush Jul 2017 #64

Ross Perot was successful for the same reason Trump was...the Billionaire advantage. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #66

You keep not answering what's up with the Greens non-success. Diversionary statements... brush Jul 2017 #69

I gave you a billion reasons....you just didn't get it. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #81

Guess you're right. I still don't get why we never hear of the Greens but during... brush Jul 2017 #91

3rd parties are dismissed by the MSM....just as Bernie was initially virtualobserver Jul 2017 #93

They preferred a Republican over a Democrat in 16. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #87

"I'm not advocating voting Green...but they're amazing and you should suck up to them more!" nt Maven Jul 2017 #138

You are 100% correct TXCritter Jul 2017 #15

I hope not. I would just like to see Democrats welcome a wider range of views. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #17

Sorry what you describe is not 'welcoming' we already do that, but to turn the party over to your Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #33

the strategy that Democrats have been following has been losing seats for years.... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #44

Broaden your views. Repugs have learned effective ways to cheat. That's why they win. brush Jul 2017 #49

Republicans have been accused of cheating in many elections since 2000. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #58

Really because I hear it everyday on MSNBC...and after the Green spoilers whom I take it Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #67

talk is cheap....what did Democrats DO about it. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #75

Some of us do. I've posted variations of the following here lately brush Jul 2017 #73

I couldn't agree more virtualobserver Jul 2017 #100

Yes. Instead of all those other TV ads that seem to be just a way to throw away money. brush Jul 2017 #102

So we should turn the party over to those who helped us lose? Ah no, Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #57

You keep using that word... KTM Jul 2017 #117

Oh no...you misunderstand... I am a liberal and have a liberal voice in fact...you can have voice Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #120

It is not magic...and will work. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #65

Dems lost seats because they voted for universal healthcare and to save the economy emulatorloo Jul 2017 #132

Yes they did. I am proud to be a Democrat...And Greens and other third party riffraff like our Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #150

What do you mean by the establishment? murielm99 Jul 2017 #21

Great question, and plus 1000 n/t emulatorloo Jul 2017 #133

There is no such thing as 'establishment' Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #28

Your third paragraph makes little sense. murielm99 Jul 2017 #22

+1000 OKNancy Jul 2017 #23

I have been noticing that a lot these days. murielm99 Jul 2017 #24

"There is nothing revolutionary about being an asshole" betsuni Jul 2017 #25

This is true...such folks refuse to accept to this day that there were not enough votes for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #30

naive is losing 1000 seats at the state and national level, then chanting "more of the same". virtualobserver Jul 2017 #46

no it's running people who don't fit in with the politics of the people living there, and OKNancy Jul 2017 #54

Yeah... those you want to turn over the party to helped in that endeavor as well. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #72

Our Revolution now headed by the lovely Nina Turner refused a person because although Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #29

These people are dictators and they decide for everyone using a purity test. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #36

I am saying it straight out virtualobserver Jul 2017 #48

That is not true at all. Create change the right way...using the grassroots method and stop trying Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #76

I saw how that worked out in 2016 virtualobserver Jul 2017 #79

No you didn't...you saw a shrill minority who couldn't accept a loss Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #94

so many enemies......so little taking of responsibility..... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #96

How about "our revolution" takes responsibility? How about the Greens? Thousands will die Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #110

asking people to vote for you does not make you responsible for Trump virtualobserver Jul 2017 #111

Saying Trump is the better candidate does make you responsible. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #122

You understand that Greens are not supported here and cannot ask for votes right? Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #123

condemned and accused by who? NYResister Jul 2017 #146

What makes People think they have the right to dictate to the Democratic Party? Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #26

What is this blackmail you keep speaking of? aikoaiko Jul 2017 #104

The threat which has been posted here and elsewhere that if the 'alt left'... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #109

That's not blackmail and we're tell people to eff off aikoaiko Jul 2017 #114

It is blackmail to threaten others if you don't get your way. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #121

Pretty much. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #37

Those who threaten to take their ball and go home call themselves 'progressive' (but are they?) Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #39

With hundreds of millions of citizens no doubt there are many thousands who fit that dscribption Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #51

Sorry...they are interested in purity and purging and engaging in blackmail as well. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #56

If the center right Democratic Party establishment Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #68

You are talking about me, my (hopefully) friend. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #74

Do you not hear yourself? KTM Jul 2017 #125

That is correct. They kicked someone out for voting for the Democratic nominee. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #147

I don't recall anyone saying that Our Revolution was horrible bad people. What I Squinch Jul 2017 #45

You have to step back and look at the pattern. It's not just current talk about Our Revolution Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #70

"Our Revolution' is comprised mostly of Sen. Sanders's supporters who refused to vote for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #78

"Our Revolution" is an off shoot political organization Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #83

Here's what I am thinking as I read your post: "Hillary, Bernie, Bernie, Hillary - Squinch Jul 2017 #89

Me too: "That is part of why these Bernie threads, and they are always about Bernie, piss me off..." Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #126

Is it incessant? I haven't seen a JPR thread in a while. Our Revolution just did something Squinch Jul 2017 #139

Yes, JPR threads happen, a little less frequently. But it's July, the election was over 8 months ago Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #149

Honestly, this is idiotic. You are living in the last world. That world is over. There is a Squinch Jul 2017 #153

You are talking to a projection, not me. I chair our Democratic Committee. Bernie never comes up Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #154

I am not being unfair. Those groups that attack Democrats are not helping the progressive cause. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #98

When I keyword trashed "Bernie" and "Sanders, it filtered out about 98% of the Squinch Jul 2017 #80

A well written post, and I completely agree. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #99

What's the point of seeming undivided when we are actually divided? Kentonio Jul 2017 #118

And as I said, trashing keywords "Bernie" and "Sanders" were all it took to Squinch Jul 2017 #137

I don't disagree at all about the larger enemy of course Kentonio Jul 2017 #140

Throughout this discussion, I keep running up against posters who say, "Oh, yeah. I totally Squinch Jul 2017 #143

Whereas from my perspective.. Kentonio Jul 2017 #144

Oh, jeez. I despair. Have a nice day. Squinch Jul 2017 #145

Despair? Yeah we're familiar with that, welcome to the club. Kentonio Jul 2017 #169

I am not divided....and there will never be healing between me and those who helped Trump Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #151

Gotta get ready for work. Hipefully can respond better later Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #119

So basically, you are saying that the Bernie supporters are Squinch Jul 2017 #142

GREAT post. KTM Jul 2017 #128

They refused to allow a person who voted for Hillary Clinton in the general to join. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #77

Yes. That new development is obviously their death knell. It was monumentally Squinch Jul 2017 #82

I was a donor...and I immediately stopped. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #101

I agree, and some of them seem to need a primer on whathehell Jul 2017 #85

The problem ISN'T different views within the party, and the respective groups fighting still_one Jul 2017 #88

So Democrats should "fall in line" mcar Jul 2017 #90

no, just stop trashing those who generally agree on most positions virtualobserver Jul 2017 #92

Seems to me it's the Our Revolution types who are doing that mcar Jul 2017 #95

they are fighting against the Republicans in their own way. virtualobserver Jul 2017 #97

That does not hurt Republicans and can't be considered a fighting Republicans because they hurt Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #105

it won't hurt Pelosi virtualobserver Jul 2017 #106

It could...it certainly doesn't help our efforts to fight Trump. We need to fight Trump...not each Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #108

K&R YCHDT Jul 2017 #107

What way is that? mcar Jul 2017 #112

But they are ones trashing the Democratic Party..that is not about ideas. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #103

I think the Democratic party is just fine as it is cyclonefence Jul 2017 #113

I don't see it that way... Adrahil Jul 2017 #115

There are more voters in the central than the left, with a good platform and perhaps disgruntled Thinkingabout Jul 2017 #127

Let's look at this logically: George II Jul 2017 #129

You make several assumptions there. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #157

I was responding to the useful simplification/generalization that the Democratic Party won't win.... George II Jul 2017 #158

How's that moving to the right been working out so far? WoonTars Jul 2017 #170

It's not a moving to the right, in fact 2014 and 2016 were moves to the left.... George II Jul 2017 #171

Riiiiiiight.... WoonTars Jul 2017 #172

No candidate - Democratic, Republican, Independent - can accept a single penny from Corporations... George II Jul 2017 #173

What acts can "push" the party to the left? treestar Jul 2017 #135

Running primaries against Democrats who are more conservative than their constituents. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #159

that's because they think they won't win in that district treestar Jul 2017 #160

As you say, it should be up to the people in that district. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #161

K&R from me mvd Jul 2017 #136

Those further left creeksneakers2 Jul 2017 #148

You can see from your responses TXCritter Jul 2017 #164

Truly left wing billionaires are hard to find virtualobserver Jul 2017 #165

That's because they give away their money too fast TXCritter Jul 2017 #166

We are not obligated to keep other Democrats comfortable with our demands... Orsino Jul 2017 #168