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In reply to the discussion: Meet Bernie Sanders' 2018 challenger [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)163. and he also tried to do that with policy. He gave the Republicans no reason at all to make
compromises. They had no reasons to sign on to moderate legislation and give us a bipartisan product, because the best we could do was to get that moderate compromise within our own party, which is entirely unacceptable. There was nothing we could put forward to scare the shit out of republicans because they knew no single payer was coming. They knew no public option was coming. We sucked. And then, even after watering down this legislation, we ran away from it, refused to defend it vigorously or to present the next steps that would make it better. If we were going to behave that way, we should have just gotten the better bill in the first place. It didn't save our seats, now did it?
When republicans are in office they go for draconian ass shit, and a few of our democrats too often vote in favor of some "lesser evil" because they are "afraid" of what the Republicans might get passed without them, or who they might push through the nomination process...etc. why don't we do what they do unless we don't want to win? Our determination to support very moderate middle of the road candidates means that we can't push as hard on populist rhetoric without making those in our own party look bad, assuming they get elected, and that means we can't make these ideas familiar and popular with the American people. We are entrenching our political realities, and then saying our hands are tied because of them, and it is hurting, not helping our brand. Sure, this might get us seats, but not enough of them.
It isn't true that Dems and Repubs are just as bad, unless the point is, they are both continuing us in the wrong trajectory, for different reasons. If the Democratic approach is one that loses us elections and keeps us in the minority party, you can't blame that wholly on the people who weren't sold on us...you have to put some of that blame on the party. If they were taking on the media and the money that is making this result happen, I'd say "okay, you are doing all you can with far less money, so yeah, this is an uphill battle." But they are taking the money from these corporations and people with deep pockets and trying to be their friends while they nudge them in the right direction, and these corporations and individuals are saying, "sure, after we drag you through hot coals with our media and donor support for your opponents, if somehow you still manage to take power, we'll talk."
And if when our dems ARE in power and they can finally legislate some of these ideals that they have told their voters they are in favor of, they simply take them off the table because they are too hard, that may have perfectly calculated political reasons, but it understandably raises suspicions.
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Me too and he has been voted the most popular Senator. I can understand that too..n/t
monmouth4
Jul 2017
#5
The Dem candidate didn't call THAT divisive so why do you change the subject?
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#11
Are you serious? How about when he calls the Dems an absolute failure and fundamentally broken
DanTex
Jul 2017
#15
I don't have time to follow everything but that rhetoric about failure and such was recent, no?
MiltonBrown
Jul 2017
#21
Not sure I understand your issues here. If Sanders is so radical, and his personality isn't capable
JCanete
Jul 2017
#160
I myself distrust elites and the establishment. I feel like it has given me ample reason to do
JCanete
Jul 2017
#192
and the non-populists here are fairly hostile to those people o the far left, if you haven't noticed
JCanete
Jul 2017
#209
I don't want the kind of unity where certain issues are third rails and no party addresses them.
JCanete
Jul 2017
#50
That's pragmatic for the party. It isn't pragmatic for the issues, and that's the problem with
JCanete
Jul 2017
#61
The only way to make any progress on the issues is if the Democratic Party wins votes.
DanTex
Jul 2017
#86
only when the democratic party is pushing progressive issues, but that does not happen without
JCanete
Jul 2017
#92
Well than the alt-left can elect Republicans and see how much they enjoy those policies. The
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#154
Or you could be frustrated with the party for not going more populist and capturing these votes.
JCanete
Jul 2017
#157
he got what he could OUT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. why is that all we could get from ourselves?
JCanete
Jul 2017
#159
and he also tried to do that with policy. He gave the Republicans no reason at all to make
JCanete
Jul 2017
#163
I'm not one of the people SAYING that Dems and Repubs are equally bad-or thinking it.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#166
Even when they're completely off topic? Perhaps you could educate yourself about his divisive state
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#41
Rehashing the primaries is a violation of the TOS that you signed before joining, Milton
Hekate
Jul 2017
#51
I am all for a Democratic representative that truly represents the Democratic Party. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#6
I am all for a Democratic representative that truly represents Democratic VOTERS
Martin Eden
Jul 2017
#54
I think Sanders is one of the weaker primary candidates if you were to check past
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#57
The strongest that was not strong at all. Which is the point. The Democratic base supported
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#93
You don't think Bernie Sanders is anti-establishment -- even compared to HRC?
Martin Eden
Jul 2017
#96
He has sat in congress for two and half decades. He is the establishment.
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#102
I have no problem with the "establishment". I do not see it as an insult, like others define.
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#103
I'm a lifetime Democratic voter, and the Senator from Vermont, particularly his opposition to...
NNadir
Jul 2017
#89
I find our Democrats much more progressive, fact be told. And Liberal which Sanders
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#94
I've never seen a politician with whom I agree on everything. Nobody is perfect.
Martin Eden
Jul 2017
#95
relevant difference between bashing a sacred cow and criticism of a politician
LanternWaste
Jul 2017
#231
Frankly, I'm somewhat out of the Dem mainstream on this one. I believe that Senator Sanders...
NNadir
Jul 2017
#131
Wow! An open mind!!! I'm not used to seeing those, but I'm grateful that they still exist!
NNadir
Jul 2017
#190
I voted for Bernie in the primary before voting for Hillary in Nov because of his stance on fracking
femmedem
Jul 2017
#149
It's good that Democrats finally provide some feedback to the attacks leveled,
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#178
Yea that is a ridiculous statement. Bernie Sanders is neither self-serving or a 'celebrity' Senator.
CousinIT
Jul 2017
#13
I agree with you. The Democratic candidate pointed to a situation where he and a
Blue_true
Jul 2017
#42
And it appears the primary reason he did not get the at that time mayor's assistance...
Foamfollower
Jul 2017
#75
The DEMOCRATIC candidate is absolutely 100% spot on about the Independent Senator from Vermont.
Foamfollower
Jul 2017
#73
Yes, insignificant. It has been repeatedly asked to list which of Sanders legislative accomplishents
lunamagica
Jul 2017
#83
I'm glad he is doing this. Divisive behavior and rhetoric deserves push-back. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#24
I think it would be a good idea if Bernie Sanders faced some primary opposition.
SecularMotion
Jul 2017
#39
New blood - no. Sanders is the best kind of statesperson we need in all of Congress/Presidency...
Trial_By_Fire
Jul 2017
#164
True. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and what goes around comes around...
Hekate
Jul 2017
#47
primary opposition is fine. Its good. What will be disturbing is if a shit load of money pours into
JCanete
Jul 2017
#53
what should happen, big corporate donors should do what they always do, and buy democracy? nt
JCanete
Jul 2017
#66
No, I am specifically referring to the DNC. They should support the Democrat. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#70
but you make a point that somehow I totally missed. You're right, this won't be a primary.
JCanete
Jul 2017
#68
I don't complain about the challenge itself, but again, who ends up paying for it and the actual
JCanete
Jul 2017
#71
Hypocritcally many of the same ones nodding in agreement with primarying Bernie
Jake Stern
Jul 2017
#115
Bernie isn't being primaried. We shouldn't primary Democrats. Bernie will have two
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#125
Bernie should run as a Democrat ...now is the time to join the Dems...we may end up with
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#174
Sanders has won the democratic primary both times he's run for Senate, and likely will again in 2018
fishwax
Jul 2017
#139
So Svitsvsky plans to split the vote ... and a Republican wins. Makes little sense to me. At least
The Wielding Truth
Jul 2017
#72
He's challenging Bernie from the right, and there's no good reason for any D in Vermont to do that.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#128
that assumes that Sanders doesn't win the democratic primary, which strikes me as pretty unlikely
fishwax
Jul 2017
#141
Actually you did. I'm not Beetlejuice, once is enough. #FactsAreNotFakeNews
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#214
Why don't you check it out? Just click on the highlighted text, it's easy peasy!
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#217
It's never anti-establishment to challenge a progressive incumbent from the right.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#130
If he is the Democratic nominee, I hope he gets all the requisite funding/support from the DSCC.
SaschaHM
Jul 2017
#79
So the Bernie haters will risk losing the seat to an R? Bernie who caucuses 100% w Dems?
Arazi
Jul 2017
#104
Well, you see everything is Bernie's fault. You know Hillary getting 3 million more votes than Trump
Quixote1818
Jul 2017
#107
A Democrat that referred to a prominent African American GOP politician as an 'Oreo cookie disaster'
Jake Stern
Jul 2017
#123
I just looked at his Facebook page. He seems to be promoting a Trump-style, negative campaign.
Vinca
Jul 2017
#161
Svitavsky is racist and homophobic. He opposes many ideas popular with Democrats.
DemocraticWing
Jul 2017
#176
Then consider your request granted. Direct links to his post are easy enough to find.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#194
Can you imagine what they would say if Bernie called black people 'oreos'?
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#202
If true, the irony is that Sanders wants us to court racists & homophobic folks
ecstatic
Jul 2017
#223
will probably be as successful as bernie's primary ing of obama was
La Lioness Priyanka
Jul 2017
#181
you can still support the democrat without bashing the independent
La Lioness Priyanka
Jul 2017
#183