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[Ken Burch]

138. Every meaningful change that ever happened in tis country was originally said to be unworkable

in "the real world".

It was claimed that slavery couldn't be ended in this country in "the real world".

It was claimed that Jim Crow couldn't be ended in "the real world".

It was claimed that women would could never win the vote in "the real world".

It was claimed that working people could never come together and win victories against management in "the real world".

It was claimed that same-sex marriage would never be politically possible in "the real world".

I could go on and on but the point stands...change is always seen as unachievable.

As to proportional representation, you don't actually have to have GOP consent for that-in many states it can be passed by referendum(pr has been put in place in local elections all over the country).

In the actual real world(the one I live in as much as you do), victories for progressive change happen all the time. In most states, it is progressive activists, not dismissive sectarian centrists, who keep the Democratic Party going on a day-to-day basis.

I signed up for Indivisible and they haven't had a meeting since I have. That puts that to rest. Indivisible is not full of people who say that change is impossible, or that the Democratic Party has to be painfully centrist to win. The people in it that I've met are as left as me.

And if you don't think I have real world experience, why would you be obsessed with getting me into that one group? If you really thought I was out of touch with reality and was lying about my decades of real-world political work, why would you be so fixated with recruiting me to that group? In pushing me to join it, you're admitting that I DO live in the real world and that all your name-calling was unjustified.