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exboyfil

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30. It should be like the German system
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jul 2017

7.5%/7.5% employer and employee withholding (assuming we can get to that amount since we spend so much more than the Germans). The actual percentage increase will be somewhat lower because we already have Medicare withholding.

Expecting $11K/yr. to hire any employee would not work as indicated by the other comments on the thread.

Any system needs to encourage full time work (at at least not discourage it). Making a minimum number of hours to obtain benefits is a disincentive to employ workers for more hours so that is not a good approach. Your approach will lead to more avoidance, more automation, but also more hours per employee (which is a good thing).

Perhaps there is a middle ground?

Any approach will need to aggressively work the cost side as well. In addition to cutting the insurance companies out of the loop, you will need to negotiate drug and service provider prices, make "death" panel like decisions, have aggressive fraud enforcement, and continue to have a tiered system (where wealthier individuals can access additional care).

I also think the system should include copays based on income.

Not all employers can afford that MichMary Jul 2017 #1
Does your firm offer paid health insurance to their employees? madinmaryland Jul 2017 #9
They get no benefits MichMary Jul 2017 #10
I get it. A business that is not providing their employees with insurance. Hopefully madinmaryland Jul 2017 #14
That's why many small businesses like the ACA JI7 Jul 2017 #17
We are not a business MichMary Jul 2017 #23
I didn't think single payer was supposed to be implemented that way. n/t eShirl Jul 2017 #24
that's nuts OKNancy Jul 2017 #2
It won't happen ...why not call you senator and get what you can an ACA where Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #3
EXACTLY ! Jimbo101 Jul 2017 #4
We can do it if we try. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #5
In the case of most small businesses, they don't have the money JI7 Jul 2017 #12
Small business tyrants will be their own downfall. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #15
Stealing ? In that case most small businesses will shut down and there will be a few huge mega corps JI7 Jul 2017 #16
Let's get rid of the corporations too. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #18
what does that even mean ? many small business owners work jobs while trying to run their business JI7 Jul 2017 #19
The way things actually are will change. They always do. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #20
But that doesn't mean they will change in the direction of your fantasy of no corporations. n/t BzaDem Jul 2017 #21
I think he's kidding Yupster Jul 2017 #22
That is such BS...I am a capitalist... I believe in a system that has protections for workers Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #28
with the ACA low wage worker get coverage through medicaid or through subsidized premiums. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #27
Those who don't want to try recognize the futility of a push with all branches of the government Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #25
That would encourage employers to change employees to independent contractors mythology Jul 2017 #6
It would never pass and the GOP would be in control for years if we tried a stunt Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #26
Too burdensome on small businesses MiddleClass Jul 2017 #7
This would increase corporate power even more. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #8
Most businesses can't afford that JI7 Jul 2017 #11
This would greatly increase the cost of hiring low paid employees dsc Jul 2017 #13
Do you want all low income workers pushed or of work Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #29
It should be like the German system exboyfil Jul 2017 #30
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