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karynnj

(60,902 posts)
22. It is not fair to say that Hillary's silence is not helpful
Mon Jul 10, 2017, 02:15 PM
Jul 2017

While there is plenty to criticize in the election, it is not the first election where there was voter suppression, tremendous money behind lies against the candidate and a VERY close election in terms of the electoral college. It is really incumbent on BOTH parties to really fight to have a real bipartisan committee to completely clean up our voting process. ... and no, the blatantly biased effort led by Kobach,which includes Ken Blackwell, who was both the Bush/Cheney Ohio chair and the Ohio SoS in 2004, is not what is needed.

Some time in the early 2000s, Jimmy Carter, who monitors elections around the world and has international respect on this issue was asked if his center could monitor a US election. His response was that the way it was run violated the basic standards he insisted on world wide. I KNOW Jimmy Carter is 92, but I think he needs to be paired with a respected Republican (Lugar?) to head a committee that could monitor completely cleaning up the process.

Fixing the way we vote is a better remedy than any amendment that could change the result of the vote. Think of the down side - where a legitimate victory by the party that does not control Congress (as could have happened in 2016) might be challenged. Not to mention, If Trump colluded with Russia, he should be removed. However, following the Constitution, his party stays in power. Republicans would argue that this is fair, because you can't PROVE that without that (assumed) collusion, HRC and Kaine would have won.

So far, we do not know any votes even any voters' listing in the voters roll were changed. It is actually easier to prove that the email/Comey had a big impact -- and could have cost the election -- then the Wikileaks/DNC/Podesta stuff. In 2000, we now know if all the FL votes were recounted, Gore would have won. In 2004, like 2016, we do not have anything that clear cut. We KNOW that Ohio suppressed the innercity vote by giving them too few voting machines leading to 4 plus hour lines - in pouring rain. If everyone had the same easy time voting as I did in a Republican NJ county, Kerry likely would have won, but you can not prove that. Not to mention, a new word entered the language - swiftboating.

Back to Hillary, because she was the one who lost - just as Kerry and Gore did - she can't lead the call that she was cheated because it will seen as not living up to the US standard of peaceful transfer of power. What she can do is back an effort to get the US voting process up to standards we demand that third world countries meet.

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I think Hillary and President Obama are both playing it smart by remaining mostly silent. Vinca Jul 2017 #1
Yup zipplewrath Jul 2017 #6
Agreed ! Jimbo101 Jul 2017 #19
Almost everyone, including too many Democrats, would tell her to shut up and go away-- tblue37 Jul 2017 #2
Horrifyingly, yes. Squinch Jul 2017 #7
Yep NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #13
Yep Me. Jul 2017 #27
She would look like a whining sore loser, MichMary Jul 2017 #3
This WillowTree Jul 2017 #34
Unfortunately, it would only strengthen the resolve of those on the right. LonePirate Jul 2017 #4
I too wish she would but it would just be called sour grapes... I do wish.. samnsara Jul 2017 #5
Nothing of any value would happen. MineralMan Jul 2017 #8
I admit I concur with all of your opinions, it's just sad. If this had happened to repub candidate, monmouth4 Jul 2017 #9
True, but rest assured that it would not happen to a Republican candidate. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #17
She would be marginalized and lose credibility Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #10
The cheat is inherent in our antiquated Constitutional Electoral College System. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #11
She would be shredded..... dawnie51 Jul 2017 #12
People would tell to go take care of her grand babies ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #14
Public Opinion would turn on her quickly Caliman73 Jul 2017 #15
Trump would try to jail her Johnny2X2X Jul 2017 #16
She would come off as an undignified sore loser loyalsister Jul 2017 #18
of course not . . . DrDan Jul 2017 #20
"Laugh and the world marybourg Jul 2017 #21
It is not fair to say that Hillary's silence is not helpful karynnj Jul 2017 #22
Never before has the FBI intervened like this to destroy a candidate. StevieM Jul 2017 #28
Never before had a candidate had the State Department IG and the Intelligence Community IG karynnj Jul 2017 #29
They didn't say that they had evidence that HRC may have committed crimes. StevieM Jul 2017 #30
They included the top law enforcement people in the US Government karynnj Jul 2017 #32
The right would jump for joy Generic Other Jul 2017 #23
The focus would shift 100% to Clinton if she did that Orrex Jul 2017 #24
There *IS* something in the Constitution to address this...WE THE PEOPLE. LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #25
I agree DUgosh Jul 2017 #33
The right would band tighter together. We need to let the current bunch to hang themselves. nolabear Jul 2017 #26
We are moving closer to primary season with a very unpopular President. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #31
I'd make a killing off of kindling wood... SaschaHM Jul 2017 #35
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