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31. Thanks. That's exactly what I say when people start babbling about term limits. We have them already

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The Genuine Constitutional Remedy for a Fraudulent Election [View all] MineralMan Jul 2017 OP

Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors is still a Constitutional option exboyfil Jul 2017 #1

That is true, but it is extremely unlikely with Republicans in control MineralMan Jul 2017 #2

Even if it happened it wouldn't help. Scruffy1 Jul 2017 #59

Exactly which is why we need to focus on what we can actually do vs what we dream about doing and cstanleytech Jul 2017 #72

True. Ligyron Jul 2017 #78

That is correct. We still need to win in 2018 and 2020. MineralMan Jul 2017 #104

There is no bottom... charliea Jul 2017 #112

You left out the "stealing the election" part. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #79

There was no media at the Trump-Putin meeting. former9thward Jul 2017 #89

Obviously the Republicans know this and have been gearing up for massive voter Dustlawyer Jul 2017 #101

Removal From Office Cheviteau Jul 2017 #111

People want an immediate, dramatic fix. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #3

Our best hope is that Trump resigns under pressure MineralMan Jul 2017 #4

Under pressure or out of crippling humiliation. Either works for me. Orrex Jul 2017 #7

He would have to have a conscience to resign over humiliation and he has proven he lacks that. nt cstanleytech Jul 2017 #73

People apparently can't handle the reality of the situation... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #5

I suppose. People who can't handle reality MineralMan Jul 2017 #8

People who can't handle reality... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #22

Indeed that is true in many cases. MineralMan Jul 2017 #25

Would it also require a Constitutional right to vote? loyalsister Jul 2017 #20

You do raise an interesting question... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #28

It would seem that it would be implied when there are Amendments that forbid interference loyalsister Jul 2017 #53

Actually, there are amendments that affirm MineralMan Jul 2017 #29

Not explicitly loyalsister Jul 2017 #55

It is utter bullshit that a party can steal an election and remain in power. we can do it Jul 2017 #6

Bullshit, yes...that's why we have regular elections. MineralMan Jul 2017 #9

What an arrogant reply. we can do it Jul 2017 #12

Truth can seem arrogant at times... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #30

No need being a dick to those on your side. we can do it Jul 2017 #42

i agree this response is over the line. mopinko Jul 2017 #16

Organizing, is a frustrating proposition. MiddleClass Jul 2017 #33

What should the remedy be? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #10

I realize no do over, but it should not just be business as usual. we can do it Jul 2017 #14

There is no business of government that is not "business as usual." MineralMan Jul 2017 #15

Agreed. If there was collusion with a foreign government to steal the election, the results should politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2017 #27

"If the Republicans had any integrity..." That pretty well says it all. TryLogic Jul 2017 #35

This is exactly the way the forefathers designed it to be hard MiddleClass Jul 2017 #48

If crimes were committed putting people in office, any actions by that person should be nullified. we can do it Jul 2017 #49

When crimes are proven, we will find ourselves in a constitutional crisis MiddleClass Jul 2017 #62

Agree. Same here. Amendments will be necessary if we still have rule of law. we can do it Jul 2017 #70

Also, in line with the Constitution let's up the number of House members to accurately reflect... Hugin Jul 2017 #11

See, all good ideas. But, we'll have to start by MineralMan Jul 2017 #17

It irks me that Chipper Chat Jul 2017 #69

The Constitution says only this: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #24

Yes, I checked on that also. Hugin Jul 2017 #66

There is less variation in the number of persons per representative than you might think onenote Jul 2017 #84

Yes, the cost of elections would skyrocket... Hugin Jul 2017 #93

We are screwed if Ginsburg and Breyer retire. Wiseman32218 Jul 2017 #57

Whining is easy. The work it takes to win elections is real work Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #13

Indeed, you're right about that. MineralMan Jul 2017 #18

How many hours do YOU devote to making it work? Some of us have actually volunteered full time. we can do it Jul 2017 #44

I do more than most Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #74

Fix the damn voting machines and make gerrymandering illegal. Initech Jul 2017 #19

After we win control of Congress, state legislatures and MineralMan Jul 2017 #26

How exactly does one do that with gerrymandering and hacked machines and courts stacked? we can do it Jul 2017 #50

Excuses. onenote Jul 2017 #86

some people continue to deny the obvious. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #95

Yes, and they are often quite vocal. we can do it Jul 2017 #102

Not to mention blatant voter suppression. we can do it Jul 2017 #103

IMO/ FWIW: elections are the remedy for ineffective or unpopular representation MedusaX Jul 2017 #21

The SCOTUS will stick to the Constitution on this. MineralMan Jul 2017 #23

Just like with Gore vs Bush. we can do it Jul 2017 #45

The Constitution was purposefully written in such a way that future events could be effectively MedusaX Jul 2017 #56

It's not illegal per se for a foreign govt to attempt to "influence" the outcome of a US election onenote Jul 2017 #85

Thanks. That's exactly what I say when people start babbling about term limits. We have them already Hekate Jul 2017 #31

Unless Russian meddling is obliterated, AND electronic voting made unhackable, I can already predict BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #32

Exactly.... the_sly_pig Jul 2017 #36

as we type BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #41

yep; get ready for a lot of dems to act shocked and surprised; it's getting old. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #96

I opened this thread ready to argue SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #34

They've already taken care of that "remedy" Dopers_Greed Jul 2017 #37

Republicans can barely stand with Trump on ACA repeal and AHCA passage bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #38

Oh we'll vote for sure broadcaster90210 Jul 2017 #39

I love Nancy Pelosi, but would she do anything? Ilsa Jul 2017 #40

"Doing anything is off the table"? Please, God, no. n/t BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #43

Yeah, remember 11 years ago? Ilsa Jul 2017 #47

Yes. And that is when Republicans knew they could BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #51

I was so disappointed, but understood MiddleClass Jul 2017 #58

But what if you want what is right, Constitutionally? BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #65

Unfortunately, the only way to solve what is right, is the majority vote MiddleClass Jul 2017 #90

I doubt she would repeat that mistake. cab67 Jul 2017 #77

I know, it's apples and oranges. nt Ilsa Jul 2017 #83

Dream, Dream, Dream! Podkayne K Jul 2017 #46

I'm under no assumption at all. MineralMan Jul 2017 #100

Hear, hear! Louis1895 Jul 2017 #52

If criminal offenses have been committed by the POTUS, hadEnuf Jul 2017 #54

And impeachment, which is the other constitutional remedy, as people have noted. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #60

The urgency is much greater than anyone thinks... Moostache Jul 2017 #61

Let's figure out how to, and create a national partisan wave MiddleClass Jul 2017 #67

What. He. Said. (nt) B Stieg Jul 2017 #63

It's because people fear the damage that will be done . . . MrModerate Jul 2017 #64

Suppose the position of the two parties were reversed... First Speaker Jul 2017 #68

Last time the Republicans tried to remove a Democratic president through impeachment... cab67 Jul 2017 #76

I agree that impeachment is very unlikely at present... cab67 Jul 2017 #71

You're kidding right? woundedkarma Jul 2017 #75

If my nephew's organs start to fail, he won't have until 2018 ck4829 Jul 2017 #80

I agree with MineralMan tiredtoo Jul 2017 #81

Where in the Constitution? A link? nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #82

kind of hard to vote out what you didn't vote for in the first place 0rganism Jul 2017 #87

there should be a way to have a recall election. Takket Jul 2017 #88

How would it work? onenote Jul 2017 #92

Perhaps, but there is not such a way. MineralMan Jul 2017 #108

I don't know about that, really Spider Jerusalem Jul 2017 #91

There is no such amendment under consideration, as MineralMan Jul 2017 #107

that "remedy" is no remedy at all, if the elections are rigged. there needs to be a better solution. TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #94

Why do people assume that there is a better solution, just because there "needs" to be? BzaDem Jul 2017 #97

Agree, not having a contingency plan is the same as not having a plan ck4829 Jul 2017 #98

I take it that your position is that elections were first rigged in 2014 onenote Jul 2017 #99

Bullshit! - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #105

Brief and to the point, eh? MineralMan Jul 2017 #106

The masses in their collective wisdom can rise up and overthrow your KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #113

All righty then. MineralMan Jul 2017 #114

Ironic that you posted your pablum the same week as KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #115

Actually, it's not ironic at all. MineralMan Jul 2017 #116

that only works if our electoral system has not been destroyed, tampered with, "fixed" niyad Jul 2017 #109

It's none of those things in my state. MineralMan Jul 2017 #110