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Not Ruth

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16. Up to and including the President.....per Wikipedia
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jul 2017

The expression "plausibly deniable" was first used publicly by Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director Allen Dulles. The idea, on the other hand, is considerably older. For example, in the 19th century, Charles Babbage described the importance of having "a few simply honest men" on a committee who could be temporarily removed from the deliberations when "a peculiarly delicate question arises" so that one of them could "declare truly, if necessary, that he never was present at any meeting at which even a questionable course had been proposed."

Church Committee
A U.S. Senate committee, the Church Committee, in 1974–1975 conducted an investigation of the intelligence agencies. In the course of the investigation, it was revealed that the CIA, going back to the Kennedy administration, had plotted the assassination of a number of foreign leaders, including Cuba's Fidel Castro. But the president himself, who clearly was in favor of such actions, was not to be directly involved, so that he could deny knowledge of it. This was given the term 'plausible denial'.

Non-attribution to the United States for covert operations was the original and principal purpose of the so-called doctrine of "plausible denial." Evidence before the Committee clearly demonstrates that this concept, designed to protect the United States and its operatives from the consequences of disclosures, has been expanded to mask decisions of the president and his senior staff members.

— Church Committee
Plausible denial involves the creation of power structures and chains of command loose and informal enough to be denied if necessary. The idea was that the CIA (and, later, other bodies) could be given controversial instructions by powerful figures—up to and including the President himself—but that the existence and true source of those instructions could be denied if necessary; if, for example, an operation went disastrously wrong and it was necessary for the administration to disclaim responsibility.

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(Speculation) Since both Kushner and Manafort were in that meeting, Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #1
Several people on the shows last night said this same theory. Seems plausible. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #4
Hard to believe they would leak something now they should have told the FBI rzemanfl Jul 2017 #9
Ask Mike Pence. He's the one who benefits. MineralMan Jul 2017 #2
How does Pence stir the shit without getting his own hands dirty? rzemanfl Jul 2017 #5
I don't know what he's thinking, really. MineralMan Jul 2017 #7
The whole situation defies rational analysis. I am sure Pence knew what was going on and rzemanfl Jul 2017 #10
I think Pence is trying to insulate himself as far as possible. MineralMan Jul 2017 #11
Pence has been under investigation for a month per Claude Taylor Not Ruth Jul 2017 #14
I pay exactly zero attention to anything Claude Taylor says. MineralMan Jul 2017 #15
lol. When we have first class reporting by top professionals that are giving grantcart Jul 2017 #20
Two points: Nevernose Jul 2017 #13
That's been my view for awhile. Xolodno Jul 2017 #17
If 3 people leaked it, probably 100 people had it Not Ruth Jul 2017 #3
Trump knew, and was fine with it. He may have been careful to not leave a written trail.. bettyellen Jul 2017 #6
I agree. MineralMan Jul 2017 #8
Plausible deniability Not Ruth Jul 2017 #12
Up to and including the President.....per Wikipedia Not Ruth Jul 2017 #16
The basis of the Mission Impossible series Not Ruth Jul 2017 #18
Its the trump family...don't overlook boasting Fresh_Start Jul 2017 #19
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