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251. Wait, are you *actually* going to ignore the fact that your candidate used those slurs recently?

Tue Jul 11, 2017, 05:30 PM

Jul 2017

Lemme post them again so there's no confusion:

Calls transgender girls 'lady boys' in 2016:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/163484380439467?view=permalink&id=948275568627007

Refers to black people as 'oreo' in 2015:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=939064236131976&id=100000852257598

You said:

"A Facebook post years ago could be disqualifying?

Your standards are...well, extreme. "

I just proved that his use of slurs occurred more recently, your reposting of something he said in 2012 doesn't change that fact.

Personally I don't think expecting a Democratic candidate to NOT USE racist and homophobic slurs on social media is "extreme" but you're welcome to characterize it that way. Not everyone thinks bigotry is a good reason to refuse to support a candidate.

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Bernie Sanders Faces Feisty Democratic Challenger [View all] yallerdawg Jul 2017 OP

That's Right Mr. Perez...Dems Are Supposed To Support Dems Me. Jul 2017 #1

Dems are supposed to support Dems Jake Stern Jul 2017 #8

Link PLease Me. Jul 2017 #10

Here Arazi Jul 2017 #11

What is the source for this? Whose oppo research is it? R B Garr Jul 2017 #36

These are screenshots of Svitavskys Facebook posts before he scrubbed it Arazi Jul 2017 #37

Who edited them or grabbed them? They seem R B Garr Jul 2017 #38

You're seriously comparing this guys shit with Bernie's decades-ago shit? Arazi Jul 2017 #55

So smoking pot is now a bad thing? R B Garr Jul 2017 #57

His Facebook timeline page goes on forever. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #64

This guy was unknown up until about a week or two ago. Why would anyone bother... George II Jul 2017 #116

I'll l bet it took a whole hour to put his public postings together. Must be the Russians. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #119

But they were "screen shots" of posts that were deleted. When did he delete them? George II Jul 2017 #120

Half an hour too late? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #121

Apparently someone was interested in this guy before the world knew who he was. George II Jul 2017 #122

I would say a state actor - with access to Google level search capabilities. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #126

And an accurate Magic Eight Ball. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #139

A Magic Eight Ball? I wasn't aware you could use those to find posts on Facebook. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #217

Or not. His posts are still up, George. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #216

It's not a "theory", see post #37, take it up with Arazi. George II Jul 2017 #221

So to recap: his posts are still there and no one used the Tardis to retrieve them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #223

Nothing to clear up from my standpoint. George II Jul 2017 #253

Well, that puts the nail in any debate here Lordquinton Jul 2017 #362

Yep. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #364

If only all this energy was directed against Republican opponents Lordquinton Jul 2017 #366

Right? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #372

Ah, so an instagram troll account discovered by another poster, now R B Garr Jul 2017 #377

No, the posts weren't deleted Lordquinton Jul 2017 #395

They are spammed all over this thread. R B Garr Jul 2017 #401

Now they're claiming the links can't be found, I just checked and they all still work for me. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #412

Jon Svitavsky's bigoted posts are still up on facebook, it only took a minute to find them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #202

Thanks BMUS. I took DKos' word that they'd been scrubbed Arazi Jul 2017 #256

You're welcome, I did some more digging and found all of the ones in that file. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #258

Plus he can't spell. thecrow Jul 2017 #282

Right? Unfortunately that's the least of Jon's worries if he decides to run. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #285

Yet Bernie understands the importance of getting a message out since R B Garr Jul 2017 #287

If only the energy was directed toward right wing republican candidates. George II Jul 2017 #290

Exactly! And the silly game of isolating one word (TRIED, omg) from someone's post and then R B Garr Jul 2017 #299

Disgusting shit to be sure... how some can dismiss it is beyond me. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #504

If they won't believe direct links to his Facebook page I wonder how they'll try to dismiss this Rob H. Jul 2017 #506

Hilarious. If I posted that same article, my post would be alerted R B Garr Jul 2017 #508

I see that some are now "parsing words" and coming up with their own definition of "doxing". George II Jul 2017 #531

I noticed that, too. It's a big dox party. R B Garr Jul 2017 #534

He actually just admitted to using those racial slurs? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #509

Yep, and there are people still willing to defend him Rob H. Jul 2017 #512

Pointing out the malicious efforts to malign him isn't "defending" him. R B Garr Jul 2017 #514

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better nt Rob H. Jul 2017 #515

You are the one with the obsession about this person, so R B Garr Jul 2017 #516

LOL you've posted more in this thread than I have Rob H. Jul 2017 #518

It's not like this was the only thread. R B Garr Jul 2017 #521

Nope, even including the other thread you're still the leader Rob H. Jul 2017 #523

That thread was up all weekend. Why did you switch back R B Garr Jul 2017 #525

Because I was replying to InAbLuEsTaTe's post here Rob H. Jul 2017 #526

Two posters switched here after no response on the other thread. R B Garr Jul 2017 #527

WHY ARE YOU POSTING IN THIS THREAD, ROB? I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #528

I know, I'm a terrible person Rob H. Jul 2017 #529

How DARE you point out the obvious and criticize a candidate who uses bigoted slurs? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #530

We're through the looking glass, apparently Rob H. Jul 2017 #532

That's the end of the debate: Svitavsky ADMITTED TO POSTING THOSE SLURS beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #533

Here's hoping sensible people will start walking away from the guy Rob H. Jul 2017 #535

I'm sure a few will still think this is all HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #536

They will also try to change the subject by talking about Bernie. BUT BERNIE THIS AND THAT... beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #539

Still no condemnation of Svitavsky's admitted racism, though Rob H. Jul 2017 #542

It is, isn't it? Now that he's admitted to using racist slurs... crickets beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #543

Who would have expected him to be exactly the person he's shown himself to be? Rob H. Jul 2017 #545

"We don't know for sure that he said that, do we?" was the response last weekend. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #546

Did someone say OBSESSION ? Dance party! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #544

Yet the Vermont newspaper published from 3 days ago R B Garr Jul 2017 #541

Vermont didn't run from Bernie even after his degrading college writings R B Garr Jul 2017 #538

why did you switch back to this thread?? R B Garr Jul 2017 #524

So the claim is that because the article is three days old it's irrelevant? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #520

so...the Burlington Free Press printed this in relation to Bernie: R B Garr Jul 2017 #511

STOP DOXXXXXING HIM BY POSTING ARTICLES AND FACTZ. No DOX PARTY for you! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #537

Aw, I get left out of the best parties Rob H. Jul 2017 #540

Any idea why the Burlington Free Press didn't jump on the smear bandwagon? R B Garr Jul 2017 #547

The man behind the one-man operation backing him is a real winner, too Rob H. Jul 2017 #507

Yikes. No wonder he wouldn't agree to an interview. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #510

People keep using that word Rob H. Jul 2017 #513

Someone edited the definition of the word 'dox' to exclude the word "private" beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #517

Good thing copying and pasting is easier than HTML Rob H. Jul 2017 #519

Googling: it's a thing beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #522

What a bitter, petty little man Svitavsky is. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #99

That's being kind. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #505

LOL R B Garr Jul 2017 #474

Here's a link to the post Jake Stern Jul 2017 #12

Thank You Me. Jul 2017 #13

Geez, this guy is barely literate. phleshdef Jul 2017 #17

How disappointing. (Sigh.) I'll keep my fingers crossed that a viable Democrat challenges the (I). NurseJackie Jul 2017 #18

Lot of people wanted Al Giordano to run, but he's got cancer. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #27

We've been told that Vermont likes quirky. R B Garr Jul 2017 #33

Lol. That was quick. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #75

I was saddened to hear the news about Al Giordano. But, I remain hopeful... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #85

Not sure that's the same "Jon Svitavsky". George II Jul 2017 #291

Great find. It's almost like there might be some mischief afoot with regard R B Garr Jul 2017 #307

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #305

This post doesn't exist on his timeline. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #51

I'm no expert of Facebook, but I believe he can remove entries from his timeline citood Jul 2017 #69

I found the MoveOn.org link. lapucelle Jul 2017 #88

Yes it does. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #204

That looks like no Facebook post I've ever seen... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #224

I don't consider calling out bigotry "personal destruction". Of course ymmv. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #227

+1, there is a whole cottage industry springing R B Garr Jul 2017 #231

Extreme positions eventually become indistinguishable. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #236

There also seems to be cottage industry in manufacturing strawmen by Ninsianna Jul 2017 #329

+++Yes to noticing the "edits".... R B Garr Jul 2017 #354

"this ain't it"? What are you talking about? That's his post. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #234

I appreciate you coming to the defense of Ms. Rice... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #238

Lol! Nice try but anyone can simply click the link and read the racial slur for themselves. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #239

One more time. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #243

So you still support a Dem who uses racial and homophic slurs because he's NOT Bernie. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #247

Well then you should definitely use some racial slurs against African American republicans on DU. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #240

Mind-boggling, isn't it? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #241

A Facebook post years ago could be disqualifying? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #248

Years ago? He used a transphobic slur just last year. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #249

From posts like this? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #250

Wait, are you *actually* going to ignore the fact that your candidate used those slurs recently? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #251

I haven't researched your "facts." yallerdawg Jul 2017 #252

You don't need to, those are his posts and no amount of denial is going to make them go away. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #254

I don't. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #245

That link looks odd. His timeline (from searching his name on FB) Ninsianna Jul 2017 #293

You can characterize pointing out his bigotry as "attacking" him all you like beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #294

Ah, but I did not. I characterized the petty attacks as attacks. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #300

Tl;dr beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #301

That's hilarious. I doubt the press will put this much effort into reporting on bogus R B Garr Jul 2017 #303

Facebook posts are fake news? Now that IS hilarious! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #304

Ah, I've seen this tactic before, and a lot of it involves cherry picking or R B Garr Jul 2017 #306

Those links look mighty suspicious, they certainly don't look like Facebook pages.... George II Jul 2017 #309

Thanks! Yes, that explains a lot. None of the links maligning him so far have appeared R B Garr Jul 2017 #310

Not reading seems to be root of the bigotry here. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #315

NOTICE TO EVERYONE SAYING THAT LINK LOOKS FAKE Rob H. Jul 2017 #350

lol, "Contents not found' R B Garr Jul 2017 #351

IF YOU POST A NOTICE ALL CAPS, THAT MAKES IT TRUE. lapucelle Jul 2017 #353

YES, must be! '"CONTENTS NOT FOUND" R B Garr Jul 2017 #356

I've found that when debunking easily-disprovable bullshit Rob H. Jul 2017 #392

Even after multiple people successfully viewed the links they're still focused on your use of caps. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #459

I'm okay with that Rob H. Jul 2017 #467

Right, just because it doesn't work for you Rob H. Jul 2017 #390

Actually, the info is on JPR about where it came from. R B Garr Jul 2017 #475

Maybe it's all just a remarkable coincidence. lapucelle Jul 2017 #479

Exactly, it was so obvious from the twitter feed and then the few, sparse R B Garr Jul 2017 #481

Poor Joe Price (sic) lapucelle Jul 2017 #490

I saw that, too! He was so important, they misspelled his name. I had to go R B Garr Jul 2017 #491

Whatever it is you're talking about there melman Jul 2017 #480

"dox" to search for and publish, typically with malicious intent. R B Garr Jul 2017 #483

Indeed. Seems some people think vetting a candidate is the same thing as doxxing them beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #488

It's odd that people keep ignoring Raw Story's article about Svitavsky's transphobic slur. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #476

The level of denial it must take to reject what's plain as day is astonishing Rob H. Jul 2017 #482

Cognitive bias can affect anyone's perception. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #485

Anyone's perception? Anyone's? lapucelle Jul 2017 #493

I dunno, those time-traveling hackers are looking pretty nervous to me Rob H. Jul 2017 #494

They do look nervous. But this guy is known to lose track of his machine: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #495

The feds should keep their eyes peeled for this guy, too Rob H. Jul 2017 #496

They look like the USUAL SUSPECTS but there's another evildoer who can time travel: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #497

Not to worry, there are countermeasures in place to deal with *him* Rob H. Jul 2017 #499

Uh oh! Joe Price (sic) and The USUAL SUSPECTS better watch out! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #500

LOL Rob H. Jul 2017 #501

Why thank you! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #502

"The Usual Suspects"? Rob H. Jul 2017 #498

It only takes two: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #503

The fact a that a single person, Joe Price (sic) lapucelle Jul 2017 #492

It's odd that people don't know that their tactics to harass people are simply that. R B Garr Jul 2017 #478

Funny, it works for me. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #358

I can see it just fine Rob H. Jul 2017 #363

It's a bizarre phenomenon. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #365

Even if they can see it they probably don't care Rob H. Jul 2017 #371

If Bernie had used those slurs I'm fairly certain the reaction would be quite different. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #374

The page you linked above is definitely the same person as the candidate Rob H. Jul 2017 #382

In order for their theory to work the fake account would've had to have been created years ago. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #386

‎The People Vs. Jon Svitavsky? lapucelle Jul 2017 #86

Good catch. Thank you. lapucelle. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #259

Great find. A troll instagram account in Svitavsky's name? That matches R B Garr Jul 2017 #367

And of course "No One" in the group's community lapucelle Jul 2017 #393

Exactly, they are so obvious. Looks like some troll forgot to hide this remnant-- R B Garr Jul 2017 #402

So IF YOU POST A NOTICE ALL CAPS, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE? lapucelle Jul 2017 #403

The links are still there so whether or not someone posted in caps is irrelevant. It's still true. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #425

They are, and visible across multiple browsers Rob H. Jul 2017 #443

Interesting. So it's just one person who can't view them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #446

They show up fine on my Mac and iPad, albeit with the mobile interface Rob H. Jul 2017 #450

So it's the mobile interface that's confusing them? That could explain it. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #451

Removing the "m" worked for one of the links but seems to have broken others Rob H. Jul 2017 #452

One could also do a search for his posts using keywords. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #453

Did that, and wow Rob H. Jul 2017 #455

Yeah he's definitely out there. He likes to use profanity and call names as well. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #456

APPARENTLY SO. ALL CAPS AND SPAM MEANS IT MIGHT BE TRUE R B Garr Jul 2017 #458

Meh. nt Lucky Luciano Jul 2017 #2

Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #3

Guy comes off a a nut. Bernie has nothing to worry about. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #4

I agree..nt monmouth4 Jul 2017 #6

I'm sorry, but he acts and sounds like a of of Bernie's Bay Area supporters. RandySF Jul 2017 #484

Lol! demmiblue Jul 2017 #5

I don't have any problems with Bernie being primaried but this guy? SMDH Arazi Jul 2017 #7

Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Jul 2017 #14

Wow, and yet without hesitation plenty of folks here somehow think Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #22

The Bernie hatred is pretty fucked up Arazi Jul 2017 #34

I will support ANY (D) over ANY (I) EVERY TIME! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #26

Shrug, so he's the Dem nominee, Bernie's the I nominee - they split the vote and we get another R Arazi Jul 2017 #31

Then Sanders should drop out and retire. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #70

So you'd rather put a homophobic and racist (D) than a progressive (I)? Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #79

I will support ANY (D) over ANY (I) EVERY TIME! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #90

So in 1948, you'd have backed Strom Thurmond over Henry Wallace in a 2 way race? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #100

Come on, you really think that is an equivalent comparison? George II Jul 2017 #117

I made none of those assumptions Ken Burch Jul 2017 #193

Sure, once again you throw something out and when you get pushback, it's "I never said that". George II Jul 2017 #194

I didn't throw anything out. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #199

No hypothetical mention of of Millard Fillmore or Franklin Pierce in a race against Paul Wellstone? LanternWaste Jul 2017 #145

That comparison wouldn't work. Neither Fillmore nor Pierce were independents. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #308

D's like Joe Manchin LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #143

I will take ten Joe Manchins over any (I) that caucuses with Dems. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #147

Wow LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #255

Principles are completely meaningless without Party Foamfollower Jul 2017 #265

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #269

And now on to the ad hominems. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #270

Parties are meaningless without principles. white_wolf Jul 2017 #448

The Democratic Party is the most principled party in world history. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #470

I'll take principles over party any day of the week. white_wolf Jul 2017 #230

Thank you, I agree. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #242

We don't really need to. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #331

Then Sanders should drop out! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #105

Not in Vermont karynnj Jul 2017 #109

racist homophobe? no problem, he's a Democrat! Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #63

Welcome to ignore. TDale313 Jul 2017 #102

So you refuse to support Democrats? Foamfollower Jul 2017 #111

It is only because you'll support a racist and homophobic candidate because he's got a (D) on it Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #124

I would vote for Fucking Ham Sandwich (D) over ANY (I) or (R)!!! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #127

So, you are a Lieberman supporter ? KTM Jul 2017 #152

You prove my point. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #155

Who once had a D next to his name and still sucked balls. He was still the same guy. Having the D JCanete Jul 2017 #161

FOUL! Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #208

comforting to pretend rejection of one Democratic candidate is equivalent to rejection of all LanternWaste Jul 2017 #148

that is the saddest thing i've ever read. That isn't true at all. Like having a D next to your name JCanete Jul 2017 #140

Nonsense is supporting any (I) over any (D) at any time. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #141

such a thoughtful reply. Thanks. This will totally win over others to your thinking too, since JCanete Jul 2017 #149

seriously? there's no point to getting Democrats elected? R B Garr Jul 2017 #153

hey, give a shot...deconstruct the thing I just said if you think there's something fishy JCanete Jul 2017 #157

Obviously there are constraints here to "deconstructing" your purist requirements R B Garr Jul 2017 #162

I am only talking here about the vapid rhetoric of not even looking past the name into the details JCanete Jul 2017 #165

Having constant imaginary barriers for Democrats is getting old. R B Garr Jul 2017 #169

Unfortunately, I am at a loss as to the meaning of this post. what is an imaginary barrier? nt JCanete Jul 2017 #171

Abstract is another word for it. R B Garr Jul 2017 #175

Not all us support remaking the party to promote BainsBane Jul 2017 #318

You can take that up with the actual Bernie "cultists" if you can find them. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #332

Why are you trolling? rockfordfile Jul 2017 #360

Amen to that. Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #42

Agreed. MuseRider Jul 2017 #49

agreed ProfessorPlum Jul 2017 #150

Good news! I'm a loyal Democrat and I prefer supporting Democrats. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #9

I wholeheartedly agree! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #15

Yep, I'll support Dems every time over Independents. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #19

Even one who claims the 'theory of mental illness' is a 'ridiculous idea' Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #28

That's what blind loyalty to the name "D" gets you. Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #43

'Identity Politics' is very divisive. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #66

Yes Foamfollower Jul 2017 #131

If Bernie were to run in the Democratic primary, I predict he would get over the 85% of the vote karynnj Jul 2017 #107

Why would you think that? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #114

My comments are based on Vermont, where I live, and this opponent karynnj Jul 2017 #115

That didn't answer my question, but I thank you anyway for the response. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #118

I tried to answer your question karynnj Jul 2017 #128

Why is it necessary to bully lapucelle Jul 2017 #156

It is not and there is no more reason to blame Sanders karynnj Jul 2017 #167

No one is blaming Sanders. lapucelle Jul 2017 #196

that is hardly assuming the worse. That's just shittalking, and bashing fellow democrats here who do JCanete Jul 2017 #151

Why doesn't he, and why doesn't he identify as a Democrat? George II Jul 2017 #225

if I loved in Vermont.... i would vote for him. HE IS A DEMOCRAT !!! trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #232

Well, I DO live in VT and if he runs on the Democratic line in the primary, I will write in Bernie karynnj Jul 2017 #246

He may be progressive but he is not a Democrat...he has an "I" next to his name. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #322

Who gives a shit whether or not the person is trying to ensure that pride in the party is warranted. JCanete Jul 2017 #142

Bernie will crush this nut case. And the Democratic party will stay behind Bernie. phleshdef Jul 2017 #16

I'm a Democrat and I'll ALWAYS support a Democrat over an Independent. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #20

Have you even looked into the shit this flaming idiot has said? phleshdef Jul 2017 #21

I don't *CARE* what you say he said. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #24

So if Trump ran as a Democrat with the same message he has now, you would support him? phleshdef Jul 2017 #25

BULLSHIT analogy, Trump is a REPUBLICAN Foamfollower Jul 2017 #71

In this case, you're the one that has an identity problem... Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #81

It's not an analogy. It's a hypothetical question. phleshdef Jul 2017 #84

It's an IMPOSSIBLE question. Trump is REPUBLICAN!!! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #89

Was he ever... tonedevil Jul 2017 #95

Trump identified as a Democrat just a few years ago. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #98

You are evading my point. You know it's a valid one. phleshdef Jul 2017 #112

No, it is completely POINTLESS. Trump is a REPUBLICAN. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #129

You argue like a bratty teenager phleshdef Jul 2017 #133

You resort to ad hominem attacks when your argument has been shut down with logic. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #134

Lol, you can spell logic, but you don't know what it means. phleshdef Jul 2017 #136

Argumentum ad hominem. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #137

Winning the hearts and minds of... Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #210

Yet I still won the argument as you resorted to only fallacies. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #226

Actually logical fallacies frequently win arguments. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #302

The 'theory of mental illness' is a 'ridiculous idea' Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #29

I would say that I am shocked that people would support a candidate like that, but I'm not. demmiblue Jul 2017 #32

We have a "Democrat" in Texas who is trying to unseat a Republican LeftInTX Jul 2017 #40

That's why we need rules! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #44

They are allowed to change their party to run MuseRider Jul 2017 #50

In the OP is a petition. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #54

Sign this? MuseRider Jul 2017 #56

Signed! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #72

Just an FYI, if you donate, there are active smear campaigns going that will R B Garr Jul 2017 #473

Why were you for Sheriff David Clarke? TSIAS Jul 2017 #52

Sooo... Like Democrat Nina Turner? Nevernose Jul 2017 #67

He just ran as a "Democrat" when he acknowledged... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #78

There are, occasionally, total assholes who are better than the Dem candidate Nevernose Jul 2017 #106

He is saying the things that we are not allowed to 4now Jul 2017 #23

Things like calling high school trans kid 'lady boy'? Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #30

If this isn't an eye opener, then there is no hope... Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #65

Exactly. Go Democrats! Amimnoch Jul 2017 #266

Meh Owl Jul 2017 #35

I have bad news for all of you "support any (D) over any (I)" types Jim Lane Jul 2017 #39

Attacking Democrats is also bad news. Just getting those talking points out defending R B Garr Jul 2017 #41

Discussion of a Democratic primary inevitably involves attacking some candidate(s). Jim Lane Jul 2017 #45

"Bernie-haters will be fawning over him" R B Garr Jul 2017 #47

They sure will be. You can see it right in this thread. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #104

I don't see any "fawning". R B Garr Jul 2017 #132

He also supported primarying Debbie Wasserman Schultz out of personal spite. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #159

So true! R B Garr Jul 2017 #172

I'm not saying that primary challenges to incumbents are always wrong. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #262

I don't see where I attacked a position you took on primary challenges. R B Garr Jul 2017 #272

You say primary challenges are OK but attacking Democrats is not OK. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #316

Lucky for you that you can mention that poster without R B Garr Jul 2017 #317

I know what I saw with my own eyes. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #334

Again...you are obviously speaking from your own bias, and all of it R B Garr Jul 2017 #336

You keep dancing around the subject. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #338

No, you keep forcing your bias on me. R B Garr Jul 2017 #339

You say the Facebooks posts are "phony" and I think they're probably real. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #342

Anyone can join Facebook. Anyone. You even said your cat can have R B Garr Jul 2017 #343

I'm confused, what does the speaker blocking a bill in California Lordquinton Jul 2017 #344

WHO are you? R B Garr Jul 2017 #345

Can't answer the question? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #346

"Leave us out of it" R B Garr Jul 2017 #347

What does that have to do with this thread? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #348

I'm in California, and I bet closer to the Assemblyman in the R B Garr Jul 2017 #349

What does that have to do with this thread? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #357

You obviously asked to leave "us" out, so you obviously R B Garr Jul 2017 #359

But... What does that have to do with this thread? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #368

I just went back to a post of mine, and it's right there. R B Garr Jul 2017 #370

I did, and my question remains unanswered Lordquinton Jul 2017 #379

It's in my posts. R B Garr Jul 2017 #381

How about you answer a straight forward question? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #383

Which of my posts have you read? R B Garr Jul 2017 #384

All of them. Lordquinton Jul 2017 #394

You didn't read them. R B Garr Jul 2017 #400

Someone clearly used the Tardis to go back in time and make those posts. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #361

Now we're three-fourths done. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #391

I think the golden snitch has evaded them again. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #416

Facebook is a reliable source? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #61

Bernie to be primaried is new! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #46

lol, I see a lot of reverse engineering going on already! R B Garr Jul 2017 #48

Sanders is NOT a Democrat so he CAN'T be primaried. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #73

He runs in the Vermont Democratic primaries when the Party doesn't clear the field for him... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #76

Too bad, He used to run unopposed. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #92

In 2006... tonedevil Jul 2017 #96

detestable practice. Amimnoch Jul 2017 #268

He dresses like a ten-year-old. Hair like one, too. LuvLoogie Jul 2017 #53

Which one are you talking about? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #59

+1 R B Garr Jul 2017 #62

Wut?? Hair is now a thing? R B Garr Jul 2017 #60

"Feisty", huh? Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #58

In the face of such widespread adoration and adulation... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #68

Is the guy wearing the Pats sweatshirt and floral print shorts the challenger? Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #74

People who want a Democratic challenge to Bernie could do a lot better than this guy. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #77

He definitely has no warm feelings for Bernie. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #83

Blaming Bernie for Hillary losing is red flag number one. phleshdef Jul 2017 #87

+1 jalan48 Jul 2017 #91

That's all well and good. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #93

Bernie didn't want Trump to win, and he did all he could to help HRC carry those states. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #97

Those Bernie voters that refused to vote for Hillary in the general election almost certainly karynnj Jul 2017 #110

I agree, and there's another category to be included Jim Lane Jul 2017 #263

Completely agree. Nt karynnj Jul 2017 #264

Bernie connected with people in those states. phleshdef Jul 2017 #113

Look at all the happy people, dancing on my lawn KTM Jul 2017 #80

He doesn't look well BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #82

I will never support a bigot and homophobe! I hope Bernie crushes this man. Nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2017 #94

Bravo! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #205

Does he even own any furniture? customerserviceguy Jul 2017 #101

Did you read the caption on the photo? Blue_true Jul 2017 #257

LOL Egnever Jul 2017 #103

I wouldn't vote for Svitavsky even if he was a Dem nominee. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #108

I'd support Sanders over any Dem if I lived in Vermont alarimer Jul 2017 #123

I'm totally ok with this, since Bernie tried to primary a very popular Obama Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #125

"Bernie tried to primary" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #130

The distorted myth grows over time. Nt aikoaiko Jul 2017 #135

It's like a children's game of "Operator" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #138

His words are still on the internet. Looks like he said it on the Thom Hartmann R B Garr Jul 2017 #146

He did at one point say that he thought Obama should have a primary challenger, and then JCanete Jul 2017 #154

It wasn't a made up point. He was talking about energizing the R B Garr Jul 2017 #158

to primary Obama, which he said he didn't want to do after suggesting it. No, the poster JCanete Jul 2017 #160

It's obvious what the poster was referencing. R B Garr Jul 2017 #163

again..he did not try to do this. That is obvious. That was the accusation. Fucking A. JCanete Jul 2017 #166

His words are still on the internet. He was very specific about what he R B Garr Jul 2017 #170

the way you are arguing this, it is clear you know that you are grasping at straws. Did he JCanete Jul 2017 #173

I can't "argue" it because of alerts, but it's obvious what the poster R B Garr Jul 2017 #176

energizing progressives is akin to primarying? That's a stretch. Progressives should be energized. JCanete Jul 2017 #177

So you understand what he meant by primarying President Obama. R B Garr Jul 2017 #178

fuck it...that's your story and you are clearly sticking to it. Why i have no idea, but have at it. JCanete Jul 2017 #179

Good move. No need to overly parse what the Senator himself said. R B Garr Jul 2017 #182

Whatever. Senator Sanders should not have any issues defeating this "Democrat" Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #213

Have at what. What are you talking about? R B Garr Jul 2017 #229

Excuse me? Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #181

If all you have is some thought exp on a radio show, then there's really no excuse... aikoaiko Jul 2017 #197

Maybe here? lapucelle Jul 2017 #164

Oh I know the origin of this nonsense. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #168

How about this? lapucelle Jul 2017 #174

Yep. More nonsense based on the same call-in show comment. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #183

The President didn't think so. lapucelle Jul 2017 #195

A) David Plouffe is not The President. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #200

It's not my job lapucelle Jul 2017 #212

Your words: Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #215

At take the Senator at his word. n/t lapucelle Jul 2017 #219

Absent any edit to this incoherent post which I think is acknowledging Sanders didn't actually.. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #228

You are just trying to derail an obvious statement R B Garr Jul 2017 #233

But it's so OBVIOUS, Hassin. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #244

It's so obvious that you are not adding any content, R B Garr Jul 2017 #289

Not personally of course Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #180

"Not personally of course" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #184

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #185

Get back to me when you have some supporting documentation Bernie "tried to primary" Obama. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #186

lol. Reading through those links it's clear what was "tried" and by whom. R B Garr Jul 2017 #188

Bernie Sanders was posting on DU in 2012? I didn't know that. I guess you got me. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #189

Bernie Sanders' intentions were clear. Very clear. R B Garr Jul 2017 #190

"Bernie Sanders tried to primary Obama in 2012" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #191

Are you really going to insist you don't understand what the poster R B Garr Jul 2017 #192

I don't care what DUers "understood" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #198

Bernie wished some unnamed person would primary Obama is a more accurate statement emulatorloo Jul 2017 #201

I read it that Bernie tried to suggest R B Garr Jul 2017 #203

Please do keep up. And read the initial post that started this subthread. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #207

I did and I see your efforts to derail an obvious R B Garr Jul 2017 #218

They can't prove it, that's painfully obvious. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #206

Thanks. I had to break out the Gish Gallop galoshes. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #209

It's bizarre. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #214

This one is for you (also testing image shack) Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #235

! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #237

Bernie wished some unnamed person would primary Obama is a more accurate statement emulatorloo Jul 2017 #260

Oh please. Physician heal thyself. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #261

Prove my "version"? It is the same as Bernie's version. "I think it would be a good idea if ... emulatorloo Jul 2017 #280

Speaking of reflecting poorly, why must you constantly misrepresent other people's posts? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #284

Do you understand that my post was in part to push back on "Bernie Tried to Primary Obama"? emulatorloo Jul 2017 #286

Lol! More strawmen about how you're being unfairly maligned? Seriously? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #288

No, you obviously aren't waiting for someone to prove that Bernie R B Garr Jul 2017 #325

Wow, there is no denying it now. Futile parsing is all that's left R B Garr Jul 2017 #187

"Not personally of course"? In other words he didn't do it at all. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #211

From a different thread where this was discussed. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #220

I've read the transcript and listened to the show, Bernie didn't try to primary Obama. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #222

I merely posted a link...showing the subject was discussed that maybe a primary opponent for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #267

Here is exactly what Sanders said on one of Hartmann's radio shows: George II Jul 2017 #271

THANK you George for a fact-filled post! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #273

As they say facts are stubborn things... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #276

Exactly! Sanders TRIED TO primary Obama. R B Garr Jul 2017 #274

As we've seen in the last few days, lack of success doesn't mean lack of intent. George II Jul 2017 #277

In the radio show call it was quite clear...yes. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #279

Exactly. I don't understand how Pres. Obama is to blame for the 'right' tilt of the agenda when the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #278

wow...when I see it in black and white in your post...there is not Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #275

yep, when you see it in black and white, nothing there at all suggests he TRIED to primary Obama. JCanete Jul 2017 #295

"Musing"? George II Jul 2017 #296

somebody asked and he said he thought it was a good idea. What does musing mean to you? The crux JCanete Jul 2017 #297

You make it sound like a casual conversation. He said it during one of his regular appearances.... George II Jul 2017 #312

I know. Let it be what he said and not some ridiculous overexageration. Can we do that? JCanete Jul 2017 #313

He said he was trying to identify and encourage ''progressives' to run...I would consider Pres. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #324

That's an entirely different issue. I understand frustrations of liberals. I understand their JCanete Jul 2017 #327

We had a Republican House. Give him a Democratic House. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #399

In polls, when people are presented with progressive ideas, my understanding is that they are JCanete Jul 2017 #405

So yes, we are in better shape when we elect Democrats, at least while they are in office, JCanete Jul 2017 #407

Yes...it was said. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #320

This is seriously beyond absurd and very transparent. Plucking out one word R B Garr Jul 2017 #298

you and others are still saying he tried. The poster returned to say Sanders JCanete Jul 2017 #311

I meant transparent as in pushing a phony point under R B Garr Jul 2017 #314

Accept he said it. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #323

Saying... tonedevil Jul 2017 #341

If you say so. I disagree...saying you want a primary for a sitting president on a Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #398

You forget the most important point BainsBane Jul 2017 #319

I see that his %-age of voting with Democrats dropped a little a couple of weeks ago... George II Jul 2017 #321

Your post is grossly misleading Jim Lane Jul 2017 #337

What is misleading about it? As I've pointed out elsewhere, it's not like it was a close vote or... George II Jul 2017 #352

I made very clear what was misleading about it. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #376

No you didn't make it clear at all as to why MY post was misleading. George II Jul 2017 #378

I also took it exactly as you stated it -- his percentages went down because of his R B Garr Jul 2017 #380

OK, I'll try this one more time. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #388

Tell it to USA Today and other news outlets. George II Jul 2017 #389

well you already knew Sander's reasons, and acted like he had none. You already knew that JCanete Jul 2017 #406

No sir, I didn't know about Sanders' reasons, and I never acted like he had none..... George II Jul 2017 #408

why is it highly questionable? Because everybody else went with it? I"m not saying he was right in JCanete Jul 2017 #409

btw, my mistake about you knowing this. My apologies. JCanete Jul 2017 #411

Thank you for clearing that up. Facts are pesky, stubborn things. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #369

who's point is that, except for your own straw-man? I think primaries are fine. I don't like them JCanete Jul 2017 #328

You've got the talking points down BainsBane Jul 2017 #330

the evidence you've brought to my attention is not particularly convincing. okay...so there was a JCanete Jul 2017 #335

"Straw man"? What is "straw manish" about what I said? That's a catch all that people.... George II Jul 2017 #355

I dont' think that response was to you, unless I posted it wrong. nt JCanete Jul 2017 #373

Politico 2011 RandySF Jul 2017 #487

"Centrally responsible"??? HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #144

I'm not a big fan of Bernie, but I don't agree cynatnite Jul 2017 #281

In a democracy, Hillary would be president. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #283

Too bad he's so popular... WoonTars Jul 2017 #292

Oh jeese, this poll again. George II Jul 2017 #404

Do you disagree with the poll results, George? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #413

I disagree with the interpretation of the poll by some here on DU, Beam. George II Jul 2017 #414

And just how did that poster misinterpret it? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #415

We've already been around this block several times, no need to do it again. George II Jul 2017 #417

So they didn't actually misinterpret the poll. Glad you cleared that up, George. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #418

I didn't say anyone misinterpreted the poll, Beam. George II Jul 2017 #424

Then why did you bring that up in reference to their post, George? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #426

You're going around in circles now and changing the subject (might you say "moving the goalposts"?) George II Jul 2017 #429

No, it's not moving the goalposts or changing the subject to ask you to explain what you meant. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #430

Well, maybe you "misinterpreted" my post then, Beam? George II Jul 2017 #431

No, I don't think so. When asked you said "some here" misinterpreted the results. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #432

I never said anyone misinterpreted the poll. Do you have the quote where I did? George II Jul 2017 #433

Yes, right here: "I disagree with the interpretation of the poll by some here on DU" beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #434

Once again, I never said anyone misinterpreted the poll. Glad we cleared that up. George II Jul 2017 #436

Except you haven't cleared anything up. Why did you bring up interpretation at all? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #440

Is this a court of law? No, it's a discussion forum. Read my posts, they speak for themselves. George II Jul 2017 #441

Lol! On that we agree, they definitely do. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #444

Not with me you haven't...please, feel free to enlighten me... WoonTars Jul 2017 #419

Check with the person with whom I went around the block several times, thanks. George II Jul 2017 #421

That person is right here and I have no idea what you're talking about. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #422

"Most popular US Senator in their home state".."75 per cent approval rating"... WoonTars Jul 2017 #427

I don't understand what point he's trying to make either. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #423

Some people would rather be admired than popular. lapucelle Jul 2017 #428

Here's a better metric to compare Lordquinton Jul 2017 #454

That has nothing to do with admiration. lapucelle Jul 2017 #457

I hear you on all of this! R B Garr Jul 2017 #462

Actually Jon Svitavsky addresses what was done to Hillary. R B Garr Jul 2017 #460

That is a much better metric, it makes sense to compare popularity polls. Apples to apples. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #464

Pretty impressive streaks by Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama. George II Jul 2017 #468

I just found the perfect gift for this year's Democratic nominee lapucelle Jul 2017 #461

And I want it delivered by these guys. lapucelle Jul 2017 #463

Whatever you think of Bernie Sanders... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2017 #326

As a fervent Team Hillary player, I say... Tarc Jul 2017 #333

Thanks for your intellectual integrity! Jim Lane Jul 2017 #340

Props for being honest. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #375

Wow this thread is something else melman Jul 2017 #385

Lol! Grab the popcorn and beer, folks! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #387

No kidding Rob H. Jul 2017 #396

They know the FB posts aren't fake melman Jul 2017 #397

I don't understand this at all. white_wolf Jul 2017 #410

Your last point is spot on... WoonTars Jul 2017 #420

I can't speak for everyone but #435 explains it for me. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #439

I don't either. Why would anyone support a candidate who's clearly racist and homophobic? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #442

To some people? Yes. white_wolf Jul 2017 #447

Yes, I can see that. It's disturbing. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #449

I support almost anything that prevents Bernie from spending time causing problems with the party. stevenleser Jul 2017 #435

I'm with you. nt cwydro Jul 2017 #437

The other thing Svitavsky can accomplish is forcing Sanders in advance to say whether or not stevenleser Jul 2017 #438

And also very handy to show which democrats will support any piece of slime... WoonTars Jul 2017 #472

Agreed, and so far every point in the mainstream media R B Garr Jul 2017 #465

Yes melman Jul 2017 #466

The internet smear campaigns against him are R B Garr Jul 2017 #469

Like not having the campaign in states in the mid-west after getting the nomination? WoonTars Jul 2017 #471

Sure, as soon as you lend me your time machine. stevenleser Jul 2017 #548

Neither one of those were their own fault.. WoonTars Jul 2017 #549

Has nothing to do with Bernie having a Democratic challenger in the present. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #550

To be clear you're supporting his trans-phobic "democratic" challenger? WoonTars Jul 2017 #551

Nope and I have stated publicly here and elsewhere that I do not endorse him stevenleser Jul 2017 #552

Exactly, but neither do I endorse the aggressive R B Garr Jul 2017 #554

Not so feisty in review Not Ruth Jul 2017 #445

The guy will clearly lose badly Chevy Jul 2017 #477

Hypocrisy is apparently not restricted to the rRight. RandySF Jul 2017 #486

I mean, he's not Lordquinton Jul 2017 #489

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