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Jim Lane

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316. You say primary challenges are OK but attacking Democrats is not OK.

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 04:13 AM

Jul 2017

There's a certain tension between those two statements. A primary challenge will almost inevitably involve attacking a Democrat (or, as in this case, a Democratic-aligned independent).

I agree with you that DISHONEST attacks on Democrats are wrong. Turning to specifics, you're satisfied that the criticisms of Svitavsky have been debunked. I'm not. I followed the link and saw the "lady boy" comment. I don't care enough about this guy to research him further, but I trust beam me up scottie, who reports (#202) the other comments. If there are two Jon Svitavskys who work at shelters in Burlington, or if someone nefariously opened a Facebook account in the candidate's name so as to discredit him, let the candidate come forward and say so. I'm going to go with the obvious conclusion that it was candidate Svitavsky who posted those things.

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That's Right Mr. Perez...Dems Are Supposed To Support Dems Me. Jul 2017 #1

Dems are supposed to support Dems Jake Stern Jul 2017 #8

Link PLease Me. Jul 2017 #10

Here Arazi Jul 2017 #11

What is the source for this? Whose oppo research is it? R B Garr Jul 2017 #36

These are screenshots of Svitavskys Facebook posts before he scrubbed it Arazi Jul 2017 #37

Who edited them or grabbed them? They seem R B Garr Jul 2017 #38

You're seriously comparing this guys shit with Bernie's decades-ago shit? Arazi Jul 2017 #55

So smoking pot is now a bad thing? R B Garr Jul 2017 #57

His Facebook timeline page goes on forever. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #64

This guy was unknown up until about a week or two ago. Why would anyone bother... George II Jul 2017 #116

I'll l bet it took a whole hour to put his public postings together. Must be the Russians. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #119

But they were "screen shots" of posts that were deleted. When did he delete them? George II Jul 2017 #120

Half an hour too late? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #121

Apparently someone was interested in this guy before the world knew who he was. George II Jul 2017 #122

I would say a state actor - with access to Google level search capabilities. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #126

And an accurate Magic Eight Ball. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #139

A Magic Eight Ball? I wasn't aware you could use those to find posts on Facebook. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #217

Or not. His posts are still up, George. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #216

It's not a "theory", see post #37, take it up with Arazi. George II Jul 2017 #221

So to recap: his posts are still there and no one used the Tardis to retrieve them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #223

Nothing to clear up from my standpoint. George II Jul 2017 #253

Well, that puts the nail in any debate here Lordquinton Jul 2017 #362

Yep. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #364

If only all this energy was directed against Republican opponents Lordquinton Jul 2017 #366

Right? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #372

Ah, so an instagram troll account discovered by another poster, now R B Garr Jul 2017 #377

No, the posts weren't deleted Lordquinton Jul 2017 #395

They are spammed all over this thread. R B Garr Jul 2017 #401

Now they're claiming the links can't be found, I just checked and they all still work for me. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #412

Jon Svitavsky's bigoted posts are still up on facebook, it only took a minute to find them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #202

Thanks BMUS. I took DKos' word that they'd been scrubbed Arazi Jul 2017 #256

You're welcome, I did some more digging and found all of the ones in that file. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #258

Plus he can't spell. thecrow Jul 2017 #282

Right? Unfortunately that's the least of Jon's worries if he decides to run. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #285

Yet Bernie understands the importance of getting a message out since R B Garr Jul 2017 #287

If only the energy was directed toward right wing republican candidates. George II Jul 2017 #290

Exactly! And the silly game of isolating one word (TRIED, omg) from someone's post and then R B Garr Jul 2017 #299

Disgusting shit to be sure... how some can dismiss it is beyond me. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #504

If they won't believe direct links to his Facebook page I wonder how they'll try to dismiss this Rob H. Jul 2017 #506

Hilarious. If I posted that same article, my post would be alerted R B Garr Jul 2017 #508

I see that some are now "parsing words" and coming up with their own definition of "doxing". George II Jul 2017 #531

I noticed that, too. It's a big dox party. R B Garr Jul 2017 #534

He actually just admitted to using those racial slurs? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #509

Yep, and there are people still willing to defend him Rob H. Jul 2017 #512

Pointing out the malicious efforts to malign him isn't "defending" him. R B Garr Jul 2017 #514

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better nt Rob H. Jul 2017 #515

You are the one with the obsession about this person, so R B Garr Jul 2017 #516

LOL you've posted more in this thread than I have Rob H. Jul 2017 #518

It's not like this was the only thread. R B Garr Jul 2017 #521

Nope, even including the other thread you're still the leader Rob H. Jul 2017 #523

That thread was up all weekend. Why did you switch back R B Garr Jul 2017 #525

Because I was replying to InAbLuEsTaTe's post here Rob H. Jul 2017 #526

Two posters switched here after no response on the other thread. R B Garr Jul 2017 #527

WHY ARE YOU POSTING IN THIS THREAD, ROB? I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #528

I know, I'm a terrible person Rob H. Jul 2017 #529

How DARE you point out the obvious and criticize a candidate who uses bigoted slurs? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #530

We're through the looking glass, apparently Rob H. Jul 2017 #532

That's the end of the debate: Svitavsky ADMITTED TO POSTING THOSE SLURS beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #533

Here's hoping sensible people will start walking away from the guy Rob H. Jul 2017 #535

I'm sure a few will still think this is all HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #536

They will also try to change the subject by talking about Bernie. BUT BERNIE THIS AND THAT... beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #539

Still no condemnation of Svitavsky's admitted racism, though Rob H. Jul 2017 #542

It is, isn't it? Now that he's admitted to using racist slurs... crickets beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #543

Who would have expected him to be exactly the person he's shown himself to be? Rob H. Jul 2017 #545

"We don't know for sure that he said that, do we?" was the response last weekend. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #546

Did someone say OBSESSION ? Dance party! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #544

Yet the Vermont newspaper published from 3 days ago R B Garr Jul 2017 #541

Vermont didn't run from Bernie even after his degrading college writings R B Garr Jul 2017 #538

why did you switch back to this thread?? R B Garr Jul 2017 #524

So the claim is that because the article is three days old it's irrelevant? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #520

so...the Burlington Free Press printed this in relation to Bernie: R B Garr Jul 2017 #511

STOP DOXXXXXING HIM BY POSTING ARTICLES AND FACTZ. No DOX PARTY for you! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #537

Aw, I get left out of the best parties Rob H. Jul 2017 #540

Any idea why the Burlington Free Press didn't jump on the smear bandwagon? R B Garr Jul 2017 #547

The man behind the one-man operation backing him is a real winner, too Rob H. Jul 2017 #507

Yikes. No wonder he wouldn't agree to an interview. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #510

People keep using that word Rob H. Jul 2017 #513

Someone edited the definition of the word 'dox' to exclude the word "private" beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #517

Good thing copying and pasting is easier than HTML Rob H. Jul 2017 #519

Googling: it's a thing beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #522

What a bitter, petty little man Svitavsky is. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #99

That's being kind. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #505

LOL R B Garr Jul 2017 #474

Here's a link to the post Jake Stern Jul 2017 #12

Thank You Me. Jul 2017 #13

Geez, this guy is barely literate. phleshdef Jul 2017 #17

How disappointing. (Sigh.) I'll keep my fingers crossed that a viable Democrat challenges the (I). NurseJackie Jul 2017 #18

Lot of people wanted Al Giordano to run, but he's got cancer. nt VermontKevin Jul 2017 #27

We've been told that Vermont likes quirky. R B Garr Jul 2017 #33

Lol. That was quick. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #75

I was saddened to hear the news about Al Giordano. But, I remain hopeful... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #85

Not sure that's the same "Jon Svitavsky". George II Jul 2017 #291

Great find. It's almost like there might be some mischief afoot with regard R B Garr Jul 2017 #307

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #305

This post doesn't exist on his timeline. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #51

I'm no expert of Facebook, but I believe he can remove entries from his timeline citood Jul 2017 #69

I found the MoveOn.org link. lapucelle Jul 2017 #88

Yes it does. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #204

That looks like no Facebook post I've ever seen... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #224

I don't consider calling out bigotry "personal destruction". Of course ymmv. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #227

+1, there is a whole cottage industry springing R B Garr Jul 2017 #231

Extreme positions eventually become indistinguishable. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #236

There also seems to be cottage industry in manufacturing strawmen by Ninsianna Jul 2017 #329

+++Yes to noticing the "edits".... R B Garr Jul 2017 #354

"this ain't it"? What are you talking about? That's his post. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #234

I appreciate you coming to the defense of Ms. Rice... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #238

Lol! Nice try but anyone can simply click the link and read the racial slur for themselves. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #239

One more time. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #243

So you still support a Dem who uses racial and homophic slurs because he's NOT Bernie. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #247

Well then you should definitely use some racial slurs against African American republicans on DU. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #240

Mind-boggling, isn't it? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #241

A Facebook post years ago could be disqualifying? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #248

Years ago? He used a transphobic slur just last year. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #249

From posts like this? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #250

Wait, are you *actually* going to ignore the fact that your candidate used those slurs recently? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #251

I haven't researched your "facts." yallerdawg Jul 2017 #252

You don't need to, those are his posts and no amount of denial is going to make them go away. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #254

I don't. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #245

That link looks odd. His timeline (from searching his name on FB) Ninsianna Jul 2017 #293

You can characterize pointing out his bigotry as "attacking" him all you like beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #294

Ah, but I did not. I characterized the petty attacks as attacks. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #300

Tl;dr beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #301

That's hilarious. I doubt the press will put this much effort into reporting on bogus R B Garr Jul 2017 #303

Facebook posts are fake news? Now that IS hilarious! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #304

Ah, I've seen this tactic before, and a lot of it involves cherry picking or R B Garr Jul 2017 #306

Those links look mighty suspicious, they certainly don't look like Facebook pages.... George II Jul 2017 #309

Thanks! Yes, that explains a lot. None of the links maligning him so far have appeared R B Garr Jul 2017 #310

Not reading seems to be root of the bigotry here. Ninsianna Jul 2017 #315

NOTICE TO EVERYONE SAYING THAT LINK LOOKS FAKE Rob H. Jul 2017 #350

lol, "Contents not found' R B Garr Jul 2017 #351

IF YOU POST A NOTICE ALL CAPS, THAT MAKES IT TRUE. lapucelle Jul 2017 #353

YES, must be! '"CONTENTS NOT FOUND" R B Garr Jul 2017 #356

I've found that when debunking easily-disprovable bullshit Rob H. Jul 2017 #392

Even after multiple people successfully viewed the links they're still focused on your use of caps. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #459

I'm okay with that Rob H. Jul 2017 #467

Right, just because it doesn't work for you Rob H. Jul 2017 #390

Actually, the info is on JPR about where it came from. R B Garr Jul 2017 #475

Maybe it's all just a remarkable coincidence. lapucelle Jul 2017 #479

Exactly, it was so obvious from the twitter feed and then the few, sparse R B Garr Jul 2017 #481

Poor Joe Price (sic) lapucelle Jul 2017 #490

I saw that, too! He was so important, they misspelled his name. I had to go R B Garr Jul 2017 #491

Whatever it is you're talking about there melman Jul 2017 #480

"dox" to search for and publish, typically with malicious intent. R B Garr Jul 2017 #483

Indeed. Seems some people think vetting a candidate is the same thing as doxxing them beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #488

It's odd that people keep ignoring Raw Story's article about Svitavsky's transphobic slur. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #476

The level of denial it must take to reject what's plain as day is astonishing Rob H. Jul 2017 #482

Cognitive bias can affect anyone's perception. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #485

Anyone's perception? Anyone's? lapucelle Jul 2017 #493

I dunno, those time-traveling hackers are looking pretty nervous to me Rob H. Jul 2017 #494

They do look nervous. But this guy is known to lose track of his machine: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #495

The feds should keep their eyes peeled for this guy, too Rob H. Jul 2017 #496

They look like the USUAL SUSPECTS but there's another evildoer who can time travel: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #497

Not to worry, there are countermeasures in place to deal with *him* Rob H. Jul 2017 #499

Uh oh! Joe Price (sic) and The USUAL SUSPECTS better watch out! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #500

LOL Rob H. Jul 2017 #501

Why thank you! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #502

"The Usual Suspects"? Rob H. Jul 2017 #498

It only takes two: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #503

The fact a that a single person, Joe Price (sic) lapucelle Jul 2017 #492

It's odd that people don't know that their tactics to harass people are simply that. R B Garr Jul 2017 #478

Funny, it works for me. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #358

I can see it just fine Rob H. Jul 2017 #363

It's a bizarre phenomenon. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #365

Even if they can see it they probably don't care Rob H. Jul 2017 #371

If Bernie had used those slurs I'm fairly certain the reaction would be quite different. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #374

The page you linked above is definitely the same person as the candidate Rob H. Jul 2017 #382

In order for their theory to work the fake account would've had to have been created years ago. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #386

‎The People Vs. Jon Svitavsky? lapucelle Jul 2017 #86

Good catch. Thank you. lapucelle. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #259

Great find. A troll instagram account in Svitavsky's name? That matches R B Garr Jul 2017 #367

And of course "No One" in the group's community lapucelle Jul 2017 #393

Exactly, they are so obvious. Looks like some troll forgot to hide this remnant-- R B Garr Jul 2017 #402

So IF YOU POST A NOTICE ALL CAPS, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE? lapucelle Jul 2017 #403

The links are still there so whether or not someone posted in caps is irrelevant. It's still true. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #425

They are, and visible across multiple browsers Rob H. Jul 2017 #443

Interesting. So it's just one person who can't view them. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #446

They show up fine on my Mac and iPad, albeit with the mobile interface Rob H. Jul 2017 #450

So it's the mobile interface that's confusing them? That could explain it. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #451

Removing the "m" worked for one of the links but seems to have broken others Rob H. Jul 2017 #452

One could also do a search for his posts using keywords. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #453

Did that, and wow Rob H. Jul 2017 #455

Yeah he's definitely out there. He likes to use profanity and call names as well. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #456

APPARENTLY SO. ALL CAPS AND SPAM MEANS IT MIGHT BE TRUE R B Garr Jul 2017 #458

Meh. nt Lucky Luciano Jul 2017 #2

Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #3

Guy comes off a a nut. Bernie has nothing to worry about. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #4

I agree..nt monmouth4 Jul 2017 #6

I'm sorry, but he acts and sounds like a of of Bernie's Bay Area supporters. RandySF Jul 2017 #484

Lol! demmiblue Jul 2017 #5

I don't have any problems with Bernie being primaried but this guy? SMDH Arazi Jul 2017 #7

Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Jul 2017 #14

Wow, and yet without hesitation plenty of folks here somehow think Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #22

The Bernie hatred is pretty fucked up Arazi Jul 2017 #34

I will support ANY (D) over ANY (I) EVERY TIME! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #26

Shrug, so he's the Dem nominee, Bernie's the I nominee - they split the vote and we get another R Arazi Jul 2017 #31

Then Sanders should drop out and retire. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #70

So you'd rather put a homophobic and racist (D) than a progressive (I)? Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #79

I will support ANY (D) over ANY (I) EVERY TIME! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #90

So in 1948, you'd have backed Strom Thurmond over Henry Wallace in a 2 way race? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #100

Come on, you really think that is an equivalent comparison? George II Jul 2017 #117

I made none of those assumptions Ken Burch Jul 2017 #193

Sure, once again you throw something out and when you get pushback, it's "I never said that". George II Jul 2017 #194

I didn't throw anything out. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #199

No hypothetical mention of of Millard Fillmore or Franklin Pierce in a race against Paul Wellstone? LanternWaste Jul 2017 #145

That comparison wouldn't work. Neither Fillmore nor Pierce were independents. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #308

D's like Joe Manchin LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #143

I will take ten Joe Manchins over any (I) that caucuses with Dems. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #147

Wow LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #255

Principles are completely meaningless without Party Foamfollower Jul 2017 #265

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #269

And now on to the ad hominems. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #270

Parties are meaningless without principles. white_wolf Jul 2017 #448

The Democratic Party is the most principled party in world history. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #470

I'll take principles over party any day of the week. white_wolf Jul 2017 #230

Thank you, I agree. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #242

We don't really need to. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #331

Then Sanders should drop out! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #105

Not in Vermont karynnj Jul 2017 #109

racist homophobe? no problem, he's a Democrat! Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #63

Welcome to ignore. TDale313 Jul 2017 #102

So you refuse to support Democrats? Foamfollower Jul 2017 #111

It is only because you'll support a racist and homophobic candidate because he's got a (D) on it Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #124

I would vote for Fucking Ham Sandwich (D) over ANY (I) or (R)!!! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #127

So, you are a Lieberman supporter ? KTM Jul 2017 #152

You prove my point. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #155

Who once had a D next to his name and still sucked balls. He was still the same guy. Having the D JCanete Jul 2017 #161

FOUL! Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #208

comforting to pretend rejection of one Democratic candidate is equivalent to rejection of all LanternWaste Jul 2017 #148

that is the saddest thing i've ever read. That isn't true at all. Like having a D next to your name JCanete Jul 2017 #140

Nonsense is supporting any (I) over any (D) at any time. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #141

such a thoughtful reply. Thanks. This will totally win over others to your thinking too, since JCanete Jul 2017 #149

seriously? there's no point to getting Democrats elected? R B Garr Jul 2017 #153

hey, give a shot...deconstruct the thing I just said if you think there's something fishy JCanete Jul 2017 #157

Obviously there are constraints here to "deconstructing" your purist requirements R B Garr Jul 2017 #162

I am only talking here about the vapid rhetoric of not even looking past the name into the details JCanete Jul 2017 #165

Having constant imaginary barriers for Democrats is getting old. R B Garr Jul 2017 #169

Unfortunately, I am at a loss as to the meaning of this post. what is an imaginary barrier? nt JCanete Jul 2017 #171

Abstract is another word for it. R B Garr Jul 2017 #175

Not all us support remaking the party to promote BainsBane Jul 2017 #318

You can take that up with the actual Bernie "cultists" if you can find them. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #332

Why are you trolling? rockfordfile Jul 2017 #360

Amen to that. Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #42

Agreed. MuseRider Jul 2017 #49

agreed ProfessorPlum Jul 2017 #150

Good news! I'm a loyal Democrat and I prefer supporting Democrats. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #9

I wholeheartedly agree! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #15

Yep, I'll support Dems every time over Independents. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #19

Even one who claims the 'theory of mental illness' is a 'ridiculous idea' Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #28

That's what blind loyalty to the name "D" gets you. Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #43

'Identity Politics' is very divisive. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #66

Yes Foamfollower Jul 2017 #131

If Bernie were to run in the Democratic primary, I predict he would get over the 85% of the vote karynnj Jul 2017 #107

Why would you think that? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #114

My comments are based on Vermont, where I live, and this opponent karynnj Jul 2017 #115

That didn't answer my question, but I thank you anyway for the response. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #118

I tried to answer your question karynnj Jul 2017 #128

Why is it necessary to bully lapucelle Jul 2017 #156

It is not and there is no more reason to blame Sanders karynnj Jul 2017 #167

No one is blaming Sanders. lapucelle Jul 2017 #196

that is hardly assuming the worse. That's just shittalking, and bashing fellow democrats here who do JCanete Jul 2017 #151

Why doesn't he, and why doesn't he identify as a Democrat? George II Jul 2017 #225

if I loved in Vermont.... i would vote for him. HE IS A DEMOCRAT !!! trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #232

Well, I DO live in VT and if he runs on the Democratic line in the primary, I will write in Bernie karynnj Jul 2017 #246

He may be progressive but he is not a Democrat...he has an "I" next to his name. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #322

Who gives a shit whether or not the person is trying to ensure that pride in the party is warranted. JCanete Jul 2017 #142

Bernie will crush this nut case. And the Democratic party will stay behind Bernie. phleshdef Jul 2017 #16

I'm a Democrat and I'll ALWAYS support a Democrat over an Independent. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #20

Have you even looked into the shit this flaming idiot has said? phleshdef Jul 2017 #21

I don't *CARE* what you say he said. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #24

So if Trump ran as a Democrat with the same message he has now, you would support him? phleshdef Jul 2017 #25

BULLSHIT analogy, Trump is a REPUBLICAN Foamfollower Jul 2017 #71

In this case, you're the one that has an identity problem... Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #81

It's not an analogy. It's a hypothetical question. phleshdef Jul 2017 #84

It's an IMPOSSIBLE question. Trump is REPUBLICAN!!! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #89

Was he ever... tonedevil Jul 2017 #95

Trump identified as a Democrat just a few years ago. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #98

You are evading my point. You know it's a valid one. phleshdef Jul 2017 #112

No, it is completely POINTLESS. Trump is a REPUBLICAN. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #129

You argue like a bratty teenager phleshdef Jul 2017 #133

You resort to ad hominem attacks when your argument has been shut down with logic. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #134

Lol, you can spell logic, but you don't know what it means. phleshdef Jul 2017 #136

Argumentum ad hominem. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #137

Winning the hearts and minds of... Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #210

Yet I still won the argument as you resorted to only fallacies. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #226

Actually logical fallacies frequently win arguments. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #302

The 'theory of mental illness' is a 'ridiculous idea' Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #29

I would say that I am shocked that people would support a candidate like that, but I'm not. demmiblue Jul 2017 #32

We have a "Democrat" in Texas who is trying to unseat a Republican LeftInTX Jul 2017 #40

That's why we need rules! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #44

They are allowed to change their party to run MuseRider Jul 2017 #50

In the OP is a petition. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #54

Sign this? MuseRider Jul 2017 #56

Signed! Foamfollower Jul 2017 #72

Just an FYI, if you donate, there are active smear campaigns going that will R B Garr Jul 2017 #473

Why were you for Sheriff David Clarke? TSIAS Jul 2017 #52

Sooo... Like Democrat Nina Turner? Nevernose Jul 2017 #67

He just ran as a "Democrat" when he acknowledged... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #78

There are, occasionally, total assholes who are better than the Dem candidate Nevernose Jul 2017 #106

He is saying the things that we are not allowed to 4now Jul 2017 #23

Things like calling high school trans kid 'lady boy'? Cal Carpenter Jul 2017 #30

If this isn't an eye opener, then there is no hope... Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #65

Exactly. Go Democrats! Amimnoch Jul 2017 #266

Meh Owl Jul 2017 #35

I have bad news for all of you "support any (D) over any (I)" types Jim Lane Jul 2017 #39

Attacking Democrats is also bad news. Just getting those talking points out defending R B Garr Jul 2017 #41

Discussion of a Democratic primary inevitably involves attacking some candidate(s). Jim Lane Jul 2017 #45

"Bernie-haters will be fawning over him" R B Garr Jul 2017 #47

They sure will be. You can see it right in this thread. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #104

I don't see any "fawning". R B Garr Jul 2017 #132

He also supported primarying Debbie Wasserman Schultz out of personal spite. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #159

So true! R B Garr Jul 2017 #172

I'm not saying that primary challenges to incumbents are always wrong. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #262

I don't see where I attacked a position you took on primary challenges. R B Garr Jul 2017 #272

You say primary challenges are OK but attacking Democrats is not OK. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #316

Lucky for you that you can mention that poster without R B Garr Jul 2017 #317

I know what I saw with my own eyes. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #334

Again...you are obviously speaking from your own bias, and all of it R B Garr Jul 2017 #336

You keep dancing around the subject. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #338

No, you keep forcing your bias on me. R B Garr Jul 2017 #339

You say the Facebooks posts are "phony" and I think they're probably real. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #342

Anyone can join Facebook. Anyone. You even said your cat can have R B Garr Jul 2017 #343

I'm confused, what does the speaker blocking a bill in California Lordquinton Jul 2017 #344

WHO are you? R B Garr Jul 2017 #345

Can't answer the question? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #346

"Leave us out of it" R B Garr Jul 2017 #347

What does that have to do with this thread? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #348

I'm in California, and I bet closer to the Assemblyman in the R B Garr Jul 2017 #349

What does that have to do with this thread? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #357

You obviously asked to leave "us" out, so you obviously R B Garr Jul 2017 #359

But... What does that have to do with this thread? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #368

I just went back to a post of mine, and it's right there. R B Garr Jul 2017 #370

I did, and my question remains unanswered Lordquinton Jul 2017 #379

It's in my posts. R B Garr Jul 2017 #381

How about you answer a straight forward question? Lordquinton Jul 2017 #383

Which of my posts have you read? R B Garr Jul 2017 #384

All of them. Lordquinton Jul 2017 #394

You didn't read them. R B Garr Jul 2017 #400

Someone clearly used the Tardis to go back in time and make those posts. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #361

Now we're three-fourths done. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #391

I think the golden snitch has evaded them again. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #416

Facebook is a reliable source? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #61

Bernie to be primaried is new! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #46

lol, I see a lot of reverse engineering going on already! R B Garr Jul 2017 #48

Sanders is NOT a Democrat so he CAN'T be primaried. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #73

He runs in the Vermont Democratic primaries when the Party doesn't clear the field for him... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #76

Too bad, He used to run unopposed. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #92

In 2006... tonedevil Jul 2017 #96

detestable practice. Amimnoch Jul 2017 #268

He dresses like a ten-year-old. Hair like one, too. LuvLoogie Jul 2017 #53

Which one are you talking about? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #59

+1 R B Garr Jul 2017 #62

Wut?? Hair is now a thing? R B Garr Jul 2017 #60

"Feisty", huh? Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #58

In the face of such widespread adoration and adulation... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #68

Is the guy wearing the Pats sweatshirt and floral print shorts the challenger? Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #74

People who want a Democratic challenge to Bernie could do a lot better than this guy. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #77

He definitely has no warm feelings for Bernie. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #83

Blaming Bernie for Hillary losing is red flag number one. phleshdef Jul 2017 #87

+1 jalan48 Jul 2017 #91

That's all well and good. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #93

Bernie didn't want Trump to win, and he did all he could to help HRC carry those states. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #97

Those Bernie voters that refused to vote for Hillary in the general election almost certainly karynnj Jul 2017 #110

I agree, and there's another category to be included Jim Lane Jul 2017 #263

Completely agree. Nt karynnj Jul 2017 #264

Bernie connected with people in those states. phleshdef Jul 2017 #113

Look at all the happy people, dancing on my lawn KTM Jul 2017 #80

He doesn't look well BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #82

I will never support a bigot and homophobe! I hope Bernie crushes this man. Nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2017 #94

Bravo! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #205

Does he even own any furniture? customerserviceguy Jul 2017 #101

Did you read the caption on the photo? Blue_true Jul 2017 #257

LOL Egnever Jul 2017 #103

I wouldn't vote for Svitavsky even if he was a Dem nominee. DemocraticWing Jul 2017 #108

I'd support Sanders over any Dem if I lived in Vermont alarimer Jul 2017 #123

I'm totally ok with this, since Bernie tried to primary a very popular Obama Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #125

"Bernie tried to primary" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #130

The distorted myth grows over time. Nt aikoaiko Jul 2017 #135

It's like a children's game of "Operator" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #138

His words are still on the internet. Looks like he said it on the Thom Hartmann R B Garr Jul 2017 #146

He did at one point say that he thought Obama should have a primary challenger, and then JCanete Jul 2017 #154

It wasn't a made up point. He was talking about energizing the R B Garr Jul 2017 #158

to primary Obama, which he said he didn't want to do after suggesting it. No, the poster JCanete Jul 2017 #160

It's obvious what the poster was referencing. R B Garr Jul 2017 #163

again..he did not try to do this. That is obvious. That was the accusation. Fucking A. JCanete Jul 2017 #166

His words are still on the internet. He was very specific about what he R B Garr Jul 2017 #170

the way you are arguing this, it is clear you know that you are grasping at straws. Did he JCanete Jul 2017 #173

I can't "argue" it because of alerts, but it's obvious what the poster R B Garr Jul 2017 #176

energizing progressives is akin to primarying? That's a stretch. Progressives should be energized. JCanete Jul 2017 #177

So you understand what he meant by primarying President Obama. R B Garr Jul 2017 #178

fuck it...that's your story and you are clearly sticking to it. Why i have no idea, but have at it. JCanete Jul 2017 #179

Good move. No need to overly parse what the Senator himself said. R B Garr Jul 2017 #182

Whatever. Senator Sanders should not have any issues defeating this "Democrat" Heaven Sent Jul 2017 #213

Have at what. What are you talking about? R B Garr Jul 2017 #229

Excuse me? Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #181

If all you have is some thought exp on a radio show, then there's really no excuse... aikoaiko Jul 2017 #197

Maybe here? lapucelle Jul 2017 #164

Oh I know the origin of this nonsense. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #168

How about this? lapucelle Jul 2017 #174

Yep. More nonsense based on the same call-in show comment. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #183

The President didn't think so. lapucelle Jul 2017 #195

A) David Plouffe is not The President. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #200

It's not my job lapucelle Jul 2017 #212

Your words: Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #215

At take the Senator at his word. n/t lapucelle Jul 2017 #219

Absent any edit to this incoherent post which I think is acknowledging Sanders didn't actually.. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #228

You are just trying to derail an obvious statement R B Garr Jul 2017 #233

But it's so OBVIOUS, Hassin. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #244

It's so obvious that you are not adding any content, R B Garr Jul 2017 #289

Not personally of course Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #180

"Not personally of course" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #184

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #185

Get back to me when you have some supporting documentation Bernie "tried to primary" Obama. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #186

lol. Reading through those links it's clear what was "tried" and by whom. R B Garr Jul 2017 #188

Bernie Sanders was posting on DU in 2012? I didn't know that. I guess you got me. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #189

Bernie Sanders' intentions were clear. Very clear. R B Garr Jul 2017 #190

"Bernie Sanders tried to primary Obama in 2012" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #191

Are you really going to insist you don't understand what the poster R B Garr Jul 2017 #192

I don't care what DUers "understood" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #198

Bernie wished some unnamed person would primary Obama is a more accurate statement emulatorloo Jul 2017 #201

I read it that Bernie tried to suggest R B Garr Jul 2017 #203

Please do keep up. And read the initial post that started this subthread. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #207

I did and I see your efforts to derail an obvious R B Garr Jul 2017 #218

They can't prove it, that's painfully obvious. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #206

Thanks. I had to break out the Gish Gallop galoshes. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #209

It's bizarre. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #214

This one is for you (also testing image shack) Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #235

! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #237

Bernie wished some unnamed person would primary Obama is a more accurate statement emulatorloo Jul 2017 #260

Oh please. Physician heal thyself. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #261

Prove my "version"? It is the same as Bernie's version. "I think it would be a good idea if ... emulatorloo Jul 2017 #280

Speaking of reflecting poorly, why must you constantly misrepresent other people's posts? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #284

Do you understand that my post was in part to push back on "Bernie Tried to Primary Obama"? emulatorloo Jul 2017 #286

Lol! More strawmen about how you're being unfairly maligned? Seriously? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #288

No, you obviously aren't waiting for someone to prove that Bernie R B Garr Jul 2017 #325

Wow, there is no denying it now. Futile parsing is all that's left R B Garr Jul 2017 #187

"Not personally of course"? In other words he didn't do it at all. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #211

From a different thread where this was discussed. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #220

I've read the transcript and listened to the show, Bernie didn't try to primary Obama. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #222

I merely posted a link...showing the subject was discussed that maybe a primary opponent for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #267

Here is exactly what Sanders said on one of Hartmann's radio shows: George II Jul 2017 #271

THANK you George for a fact-filled post! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #273

As they say facts are stubborn things... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #276

Exactly! Sanders TRIED TO primary Obama. R B Garr Jul 2017 #274

As we've seen in the last few days, lack of success doesn't mean lack of intent. George II Jul 2017 #277

In the radio show call it was quite clear...yes. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #279

Exactly. I don't understand how Pres. Obama is to blame for the 'right' tilt of the agenda when the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #278

wow...when I see it in black and white in your post...there is not Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #275

yep, when you see it in black and white, nothing there at all suggests he TRIED to primary Obama. JCanete Jul 2017 #295

"Musing"? George II Jul 2017 #296

somebody asked and he said he thought it was a good idea. What does musing mean to you? The crux JCanete Jul 2017 #297

You make it sound like a casual conversation. He said it during one of his regular appearances.... George II Jul 2017 #312

I know. Let it be what he said and not some ridiculous overexageration. Can we do that? JCanete Jul 2017 #313

He said he was trying to identify and encourage ''progressives' to run...I would consider Pres. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #324

That's an entirely different issue. I understand frustrations of liberals. I understand their JCanete Jul 2017 #327

We had a Republican House. Give him a Democratic House. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #399

In polls, when people are presented with progressive ideas, my understanding is that they are JCanete Jul 2017 #405

So yes, we are in better shape when we elect Democrats, at least while they are in office, JCanete Jul 2017 #407

Yes...it was said. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #320

This is seriously beyond absurd and very transparent. Plucking out one word R B Garr Jul 2017 #298

you and others are still saying he tried. The poster returned to say Sanders JCanete Jul 2017 #311

I meant transparent as in pushing a phony point under R B Garr Jul 2017 #314

Accept he said it. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #323

Saying... tonedevil Jul 2017 #341

If you say so. I disagree...saying you want a primary for a sitting president on a Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #398

You forget the most important point BainsBane Jul 2017 #319

I see that his %-age of voting with Democrats dropped a little a couple of weeks ago... George II Jul 2017 #321

Your post is grossly misleading Jim Lane Jul 2017 #337

What is misleading about it? As I've pointed out elsewhere, it's not like it was a close vote or... George II Jul 2017 #352

I made very clear what was misleading about it. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #376

No you didn't make it clear at all as to why MY post was misleading. George II Jul 2017 #378

I also took it exactly as you stated it -- his percentages went down because of his R B Garr Jul 2017 #380

OK, I'll try this one more time. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #388

Tell it to USA Today and other news outlets. George II Jul 2017 #389

well you already knew Sander's reasons, and acted like he had none. You already knew that JCanete Jul 2017 #406

No sir, I didn't know about Sanders' reasons, and I never acted like he had none..... George II Jul 2017 #408

why is it highly questionable? Because everybody else went with it? I"m not saying he was right in JCanete Jul 2017 #409

btw, my mistake about you knowing this. My apologies. JCanete Jul 2017 #411

Thank you for clearing that up. Facts are pesky, stubborn things. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #369

who's point is that, except for your own straw-man? I think primaries are fine. I don't like them JCanete Jul 2017 #328

You've got the talking points down BainsBane Jul 2017 #330

the evidence you've brought to my attention is not particularly convincing. okay...so there was a JCanete Jul 2017 #335

"Straw man"? What is "straw manish" about what I said? That's a catch all that people.... George II Jul 2017 #355

I dont' think that response was to you, unless I posted it wrong. nt JCanete Jul 2017 #373

Politico 2011 RandySF Jul 2017 #487

"Centrally responsible"??? HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #144

I'm not a big fan of Bernie, but I don't agree cynatnite Jul 2017 #281

In a democracy, Hillary would be president. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #283

Too bad he's so popular... WoonTars Jul 2017 #292

Oh jeese, this poll again. George II Jul 2017 #404

Do you disagree with the poll results, George? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #413

I disagree with the interpretation of the poll by some here on DU, Beam. George II Jul 2017 #414

And just how did that poster misinterpret it? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #415

We've already been around this block several times, no need to do it again. George II Jul 2017 #417

So they didn't actually misinterpret the poll. Glad you cleared that up, George. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #418

I didn't say anyone misinterpreted the poll, Beam. George II Jul 2017 #424

Then why did you bring that up in reference to their post, George? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #426

You're going around in circles now and changing the subject (might you say "moving the goalposts"?) George II Jul 2017 #429

No, it's not moving the goalposts or changing the subject to ask you to explain what you meant. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #430

Well, maybe you "misinterpreted" my post then, Beam? George II Jul 2017 #431

No, I don't think so. When asked you said "some here" misinterpreted the results. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #432

I never said anyone misinterpreted the poll. Do you have the quote where I did? George II Jul 2017 #433

Yes, right here: "I disagree with the interpretation of the poll by some here on DU" beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #434

Once again, I never said anyone misinterpreted the poll. Glad we cleared that up. George II Jul 2017 #436

Except you haven't cleared anything up. Why did you bring up interpretation at all? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #440

Is this a court of law? No, it's a discussion forum. Read my posts, they speak for themselves. George II Jul 2017 #441

Lol! On that we agree, they definitely do. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #444

Not with me you haven't...please, feel free to enlighten me... WoonTars Jul 2017 #419

Check with the person with whom I went around the block several times, thanks. George II Jul 2017 #421

That person is right here and I have no idea what you're talking about. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #422

"Most popular US Senator in their home state".."75 per cent approval rating"... WoonTars Jul 2017 #427

I don't understand what point he's trying to make either. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #423

Some people would rather be admired than popular. lapucelle Jul 2017 #428

Here's a better metric to compare Lordquinton Jul 2017 #454

That has nothing to do with admiration. lapucelle Jul 2017 #457

I hear you on all of this! R B Garr Jul 2017 #462

Actually Jon Svitavsky addresses what was done to Hillary. R B Garr Jul 2017 #460

That is a much better metric, it makes sense to compare popularity polls. Apples to apples. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #464

Pretty impressive streaks by Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama. George II Jul 2017 #468

I just found the perfect gift for this year's Democratic nominee lapucelle Jul 2017 #461

And I want it delivered by these guys. lapucelle Jul 2017 #463

Whatever you think of Bernie Sanders... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2017 #326

As a fervent Team Hillary player, I say... Tarc Jul 2017 #333

Thanks for your intellectual integrity! Jim Lane Jul 2017 #340

Props for being honest. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #375

Wow this thread is something else melman Jul 2017 #385

Lol! Grab the popcorn and beer, folks! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #387

No kidding Rob H. Jul 2017 #396

They know the FB posts aren't fake melman Jul 2017 #397

I don't understand this at all. white_wolf Jul 2017 #410

Your last point is spot on... WoonTars Jul 2017 #420

I can't speak for everyone but #435 explains it for me. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #439

I don't either. Why would anyone support a candidate who's clearly racist and homophobic? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #442

To some people? Yes. white_wolf Jul 2017 #447

Yes, I can see that. It's disturbing. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #449

I support almost anything that prevents Bernie from spending time causing problems with the party. stevenleser Jul 2017 #435

I'm with you. nt cwydro Jul 2017 #437

The other thing Svitavsky can accomplish is forcing Sanders in advance to say whether or not stevenleser Jul 2017 #438

And also very handy to show which democrats will support any piece of slime... WoonTars Jul 2017 #472

Agreed, and so far every point in the mainstream media R B Garr Jul 2017 #465

Yes melman Jul 2017 #466

The internet smear campaigns against him are R B Garr Jul 2017 #469

Like not having the campaign in states in the mid-west after getting the nomination? WoonTars Jul 2017 #471

Sure, as soon as you lend me your time machine. stevenleser Jul 2017 #548

Neither one of those were their own fault.. WoonTars Jul 2017 #549

Has nothing to do with Bernie having a Democratic challenger in the present. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #550

To be clear you're supporting his trans-phobic "democratic" challenger? WoonTars Jul 2017 #551

Nope and I have stated publicly here and elsewhere that I do not endorse him stevenleser Jul 2017 #552

Exactly, but neither do I endorse the aggressive R B Garr Jul 2017 #554

Not so feisty in review Not Ruth Jul 2017 #445

The guy will clearly lose badly Chevy Jul 2017 #477

Hypocrisy is apparently not restricted to the rRight. RandySF Jul 2017 #486

I mean, he's not Lordquinton Jul 2017 #489

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