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kentuck

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120. Margaret Thatcher disagreed with the invasion..
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jul 2012

from google:

" British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher personally opposed the US invasion, and the British Foreign Secretary, Geoffrey Howe, announced to the British House of Commons on the day before the invasion that he had no knowledge of any possible US intervention. At 12:30 am Tuesday October 25, on the morning of the invasion, Thatcher sent a message to Reagan: "This action will be seen as intervention by a Western country in the internal affairs of a small independent nation, however unattractive its regime. I ask you to consider this in the context of our wider East-West relations and of the fact that we will be having in the next few days to present to our Parliament and people the siteing of Cruise missiles in this country... I cannot conceal that I am deeply disturbed by your latest communication.... hope that even at this late stage you will take it into account before events are irrevocable."[27][28] (The full text remains classified.) When she telephoned Reagan twenty minutes later, he assured Thatcher that an invasion was not contemplated. Reagan later said, "She was very adamant and continued to insist that we cancel our landings on Grenada. I couldn't tell her that it had already begun."[29]"

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The invasion showed problems with the U.S. government's "information apparatus," which Time described as still being in "some disarray" three weeks after the invasion. For example, the U.S. State Department falsely claimed that a mass grave had been discovered that held 100 bodies of islanders who had been killed by Communist forces.[4] Major General Norman Schwarzkopf, deputy commander of the invasion force, said that 160 Grenadian soldiers and 71 Cubans had been killed during the invasion; the Pentagon had given a much lower count of 59 Cuban and Grenadian deaths.[4] Ronald H. Cole's report for the Joint Chiefs of Staff showed an even lower count.[19]

On the other hand:
October 25 is a national holiday in Grenada, called Thanksgiving Day, to commemorate the invasion.

St. George's University built a monument on its True Blue Campus to memorialize the US servicemen killed during the invasion, and marks the day with an annual memorial ceremony.

In 2008, the Government of Grenada announced a move to build a monument to honour the Cubans killed during the invasion. At the time of the announcement the Cuban and Grenadian government are still seeking to locate a suitable site for the monument.[30] On May 29 2009 the Point Salines International Airport was officially renamed in honour of the slain pre-coup leader Maurice Bishop by the Government of Grenada.[7][8]

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He ended Cold War.. nmbluesky Jul 2012 #1
As I recall... kentuck Jul 2012 #3
yeah, whatever credit he gets, gorby gets about 50 times that. unblock Jul 2012 #8
But he wasn't there when the wall came down. kentuck Jul 2012 #11
I pretty sure I remember some CIA analyst that wrote a book saying that the real turning point brewens Jul 2012 #53
The Cold War ended when Mikhail Gorbachev realized hifiguy Jul 2012 #31
agreed oldhippydude Jul 2012 #54
Really, Afghanistan ended the cold war. We are on our way ....nt nanabugg Jul 2012 #110
Oh he did not. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #70
History repeats itself ... GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #91
Do you suppose that's why Osama Bin Laden was... Blanks Jul 2012 #95
no he didn't. it was ending anyways. pansypoo53219 Jul 2012 #105
Another GOP reagan lie. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #106
Yeeeeeeah....no. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2012 #136
Nixon CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #2
And they were never able to shed the weight of Hoover kentuck Jul 2012 #9
W should have the same effect rurallib Jul 2012 #22
Obama was supposed to be the next Hoover... kentuck Jul 2012 #26
No idea. They always seem to forget him giving millions of illegal aliens blanket immunity.. truebrit71 Jul 2012 #4
Don't forget the "Cut and Run" from Lebanon. 11 Bravo Jul 2012 #20
241 Marines massacred. kentuck Jul 2012 #23
had a Democrat lost that many men we would still be hearing about it!!! oldhippydude Jul 2012 #57
The Grenada invasion was ordered as a go before the Barracks in Lebanon. braddy Jul 2012 #68
How do you explain? kentuck Jul 2012 #74
It isn't my job to explain that to you. braddy Jul 2012 #111
Just as I suspected... kentuck Jul 2012 #113
Why attack me in a personal way because you don't know things? braddy Jul 2012 #114
You insinuated that you knew something that no one else knew... kentuck Jul 2012 #115
I never insinuated any such thing you aren't making any sense. braddy Jul 2012 #117
From Google kentuck Jul 2012 #118
Great, now you can do your own research and learn that the invasion and barracks had no connection braddy Jul 2012 #119
Margaret Thatcher disagreed with the invasion.. kentuck Jul 2012 #120
The Grenada invasion was ordered as a go before the Barracks in Lebanon. kentuck Jul 2012 #121
I'm sorry, but you just aren't making any sense. braddy Jul 2012 #122
Perhaps we can agree...? kentuck Jul 2012 #123
followed by the incredibly heroic invasion of Grenada rurallib Jul 2012 #24
well he did have some help oldhippydude Jul 2012 #56
They worship their image of Reagan. Archae Jul 2012 #5
I'd say it's your fith paragraph Populist_Prole Jul 2012 #6
+1 and I would that his ravings about welfare queens gave them..... wandy Jul 2012 #19
They don't recall... Blue Owl Jul 2012 #7
He's dead so they can create their own Reagan reality without anybody to answer to.... cbdo2007 Jul 2012 #10
Really shows the power of a compliant media rurallib Jul 2012 #25
They needed their JFK... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #12
And yours is the winning answer. It was all about JFK, they had no one..n/t monmouth Jul 2012 #34
"Made them feel like winners" is my guess. moondust Jul 2012 #13
Saint Ronnie must be deified by the true believers: after all, he was the architect of the mountain indepat Jul 2012 #14
Stupid loves stupid! Yavapai Jul 2012 #15
It was his ability to lie and get away with it. alfredo Jul 2012 #16
they worship him because he was a winner WI_DEM Jul 2012 #17
He's the last Republican they remember who could speak relatively coherently Scootaloo Jul 2012 #18
well, as long as he had his index cards in front of him or teleprompter. WI_DEM Jul 2012 #27
Co/uple of Things Iggy Jul 2012 #21
There is some inaccurate history in that post. braddy Jul 2012 #112
I get it, but Iggy Jul 2012 #131
Why would any human "worship" another human? I've lived long enough to learn even the greatest among jody Jul 2012 #28
Very true. kentuck Jul 2012 #29
Hey, they named the most disfunctional airport in America after him. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #30
And every air traffic controller in the US still calls that airport "National." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #35
Hell, I still call it "National". You can't get more fucked up than that place. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #36
I call it "DCA" or "National." Pool Hall Ace Jul 2012 #87
they worship an image of him that never existed JitterbugPerfume Jul 2012 #32
Same way they hate Democrats. moondust Jul 2012 #44
Union busting. patrice Jul 2012 #33
He won two elections, big. hifiguy Jul 2012 #37
Reagan wins by process of elimination? kentuck Jul 2012 #39
Pretty much. hifiguy Jul 2012 #41
And then there was that one guy . . . HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #89
Well, Incurious George seems to have been erased from hifiguy Jul 2012 #94
I can think of about a thousand DUers who have never posted a critical word about him in ten years NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #38
He let the modern Republican Party be the openly racist party they always yearned to be. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #40
Every problem this nation has today started with a Reagan policy. liberal N proud Jul 2012 #42
GOP's "Reagan Legacy Project" ErikJ Jul 2012 #43
compared to Bush, Rmoney, Newt, Cantor, Bachmann and the rest think Jul 2012 #45
Because.... jberryhill Jul 2012 #46
The Republicans have never had any heroes. They had to create one. Zen Democrat Jul 2012 #47
Bingo! They finally had someone that a nutjob considered worth shooting. nt aka-chmeee Jul 2012 #50
The Gipper was chipper--probably because he was losing his mind even early on--perfect for Repugs. diane in sf Jul 2012 #48
cause compared to the bushes, ford and nixon, he looks like a fucking genius...i guess spanone Jul 2012 #49
Because Nixon resigned, Ford didn't win election, Bush didn't win in '92, Eisenhower was too craigmatic Jul 2012 #51
I guess they admired his business savvy, trading guns for hostages and cocaine ... struggle4progress Jul 2012 #52
Shit knows its own, is all I can say..... lastlib Jul 2012 #55
I have been asking this question for years. MissMillie Jul 2012 #58
I was just a kid and I loved Reagan at that time Abra Jul 2012 #59
Much of what we believe is a product of the propaganda at the time, in my opinion... kentuck Jul 2012 #60
Because he followed the despised Jimmy Carter Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #61
When the truth of the matter... kentuck Jul 2012 #64
+1,000,000,000,000 Odin2005 Jul 2012 #66
Who the Hell else do they have beside Ike? OmahaBlueDog Jul 2012 #62
Because he was a 2 termer who left office with his public perception dignity in tact. phleshdef Jul 2012 #63
Ronald Reagan, Enabler of Atrocities Agony Jul 2012 #65
Thanks for that interesting link...i didn't think I could despise him more than I already did... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #97
No one discussing Ronald Reagan should be allowed to forget the Salvadoran Baby Skulls LongTomH Jul 2012 #67
Corporate media propaganda organ of the elites upi402 Jul 2012 #69
Stupidity. Rewriting history. Lies. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #71
Because he was the incarnation of greed, corruption, ignorance, and evil. Zorra Jul 2012 #72
Reagan tamed inflation. BT021 Jul 2012 #73
So they waited until Bush Sr was President before they picked up their hammers... kentuck Jul 2012 #75
people and presidents from Truman to ... BT021 Jul 2012 #79
Also, we should not forget the role of Paul Volcker... kentuck Jul 2012 #80
Inflation was a problem all the way back to Nixon. Blanks Jul 2012 #98
Guns and Butter started inflation BT021 Jul 2012 #129
I googled guns and butter and... Blanks Jul 2012 #132
"Guns and butter" is a classic phrase.... LongTomH Jul 2012 #133
Why would that create inflation in the pre-Nixon era? Blanks Jul 2012 #134
carter appointee volker did this by jacking rates up sky high. unblock Jul 2012 #85
Carter tamed inflation. ieoeja Jul 2012 #116
your numbers are just made up BT021 Jul 2012 #130
Interesting thread kentuck NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #76
Thanks Don! kentuck Jul 2012 #77
... Zorra Jul 2012 #103
LOL NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #126
He is all they have. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #78
Because Reaganites know how to tell a story (especially a fictional one) JHB Jul 2012 #81
Sounds like you have this figured out pretty well NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #82
He was inaugurated amid much uber-patriotic flag waving on the a split screen lunatica Jul 2012 #83
lack of alternatives? unblock Jul 2012 #84
Tell your GOP friends this one - that Reagan would never have endorsed free trade with China. reformist2 Jul 2012 #86
I can't believe some poster hasn't claimed Reagan put the first man on the moon yet NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #88
In CA it was believed goclark Jul 2012 #90
Indeed, he did have the IQ requirement dropped that included the mentally handicapped. kentuck Jul 2012 #109
He made all their right wing extremism marketable RFKHumphreyObama Jul 2012 #92
On the 7th day he pardoned George Steinbrenner Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #93
The idiots loved his movies.n/t Autumn Jul 2012 #96
Ronnie Was Essentially a Grifter Straight Out of Central Casting Kurt Sperry Jul 2012 #99
The question is did Reagan handle the press... Blanks Jul 2012 #100
Reagan was anti-gun, so his minions followed in his footsteps. Tejas Jul 2012 #101
He didn't even know he was president. He was a figure head. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #102
Towards the end Nacy was the Co - President goclark Jul 2012 #125
he could`t get the republican nomination today. madrchsod Jul 2012 #104
Because they had been trying to sell their crazy-ass "trickle-down" economics and racists BS maxrandb Jul 2012 #107
and maxrandb Jul 2012 #108
Anti-unionism too NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #127
they wanted a post-Nixon era hero to worship lanlady Jul 2012 #124
Who else can they worship??? RegieRocker Jul 2012 #128
Short answer: because they were still ashamed of Nixon. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2012 #135
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