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MineralMan

(151,333 posts)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:14 PM Jul 2017

Things That Will Not Happen Before 2020 [View all]

I've seen a lot of proposals on DU for what should be done about the fact that Donald Trump managed to become President. While some of them make sense, others simply don't. So, here's a list of things that have been suggested, but that are not possible, and that will not be possible before the next Presidential election. Let's move past these and look for things that can be done:

1. Reform the Electoral College System - That requires a constitutional amendment and there is zero chance of that happening.

2. Redo the 2016 Election Since It Was Illegitimate - Impossible. No mechanism exists for such a thing.

3. Impeach Donald Trump - Very unlikely, given the current Republican control of both houses of Congress. The 2/3 Senate vote required to remove a President is even more unlikely.

4. Have Hand-Counted Paper Ballots in All 50 States - Not possible. Voting is a state function, and most states are not at all interested in such a thing, since they depend on elections for Republicans to maintain power. No state with a Republican majority legislature or Governor will even consider this.

5. Set up a Recall Process for Presidential Elections - See number 1. A constitutional amendment would be needed.

6. Arrest and Imprison Donald Trump and His Cabinet - Virtually impossible, actually, since the President can pardon his cabinet members and be pardoned by the new Vice President if removed from office. Besides, what agency has the power to arrest a President? See the Constitution again.

7. Elect the Next President by Popular Vote - Again, see number 1. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016. Donald Trump is in the White House.

8. Rise up and Demonstrate against Trump - OK. Good idea, but that will not remove him from office, no matter how many people protest. Remember that Constitution thing. If 3 million people rise up, that's still less than 1% of the population.

9. Have a Revolution, Dammit! - Well, see #8. How many people do you have lined up to fight in this revolution?

10. Have the Military Take Control - WTF? Really? How is that an improvement, aside from it being completely unconstitutional.

11. Get the Supreme Court to Remove the President - The SCOTUS can't do anything like that. They're limited to deciding constitutional questions, and have zero authority over the President in terms of his holding office.

12. Start a Nationwide Petition Campaign to Remove the President - See numbers 1, 8, 9 and 11. Impossible.

So, what CAN we do? That's easy. All we have to do is to make sure that every registered Democrat goes to the polls and votes in 2018 and 2020. Every last freaking one of them. Like the 40% of registered Democrats who didn't vote in the Georgia sixth congressional district, which caused the Democrat, Ossoff, to lose the special election recently. Had they shown up, he'd have won in a landslide, voter suppression or not. That is what we can do, and that's pretty much all we can do.

We, the voters, are the final checks and balances in the United States. But we have to freaking vote! You can help by working your ass off to get voters to the polls right where you are. In your precinct, district, county and state. Do that and we cannot lose. Do not do that and Republicans can win once again.

Thanks for reading this. It's my opinion on this Sunday afternoon.

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So agree, Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #1
What will it take to get the 40% out to vote? sagesnow Jul 2017 #2
Perhaps THE most important political question for the next election.. n/t whathehell Jul 2017 #3
As usual, well-written, logical and correct PJMcK Jul 2017 #4
Yup. Winning elections is the only thing that will change anything. DanTex Jul 2017 #5
Things we MUST FIGHT before 2018 and 2020.... CousinIT Jul 2017 #6
I agree...RESIST! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #17
Actually, the electoral college can be reformed before 2020 Gothmog Jul 2017 #7
Thank you for the reality check! EllieBC Jul 2017 #8
I disagree with Impeachment grantcart Jul 2017 #9
Clinton was Impeached. maxsolomon Jul 2017 #14
His point, which I was responding to, was for both houses to move on Impeachment and Removal grantcart Jul 2017 #30
I agree completely. If we get the House or the Senate...Trump gets nothing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #10
If Republicans think there will be a political price in 2018 some will move to act. LS_Editor Jul 2017 #11
good idea tiredtoo Jul 2017 #12
You left out something as important: making sure that every Democrat is registered pnwmom Jul 2017 #13
Electing by popular vote does NOT require a constitutional amendment Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #15
It does require all the states to decide this is the way to do it. mwooldri Jul 2017 #26
Just 270 worth. And it would be played by federal rules Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #28
There's the problem: Maine and Nebraska. mwooldri Jul 2017 #36
The popular vote does not fall into that problem Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #38
For sure M&M. BlueJac Jul 2017 #16
Thank you. You keep trying. And I appreciate it. TygrBright Jul 2017 #18
Voting has not been at the core of our republic. Women did not vote until 1920. Senators were CK_John Jul 2017 #33
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there is no election in 2018. mountain grammy Jul 2017 #19
Hopefully, if enough damning info. like Don Jr.'s email/meeting comes out.... MrPurple Jul 2017 #20
... and stop fretting over Trump's almighty 36% "base" William Seger Jul 2017 #21
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Jul 2017 #22
#10: Military take control. mwooldri Jul 2017 #23
Well that's a totally fucked up assessment of things. Amimnoch Jul 2017 #24
When Democrats vote (for Democrats), Democrats win mcar Jul 2017 #25
Paper Ballots Podkayne K Jul 2017 #27
So just getting out the vote will GreenPartyVoter Jul 2017 #29
Gerrymandering bearsfootball516 Jul 2017 #31
Here's hoping we can pull it off! GreenPartyVoter Jul 2017 #32
2022 will be the new House seats, some states will lose a seat CK_John Jul 2017 #34
Also, SCOTUS will be taking up that huge gerrymandering Hortensis Jul 2017 #39
Drumpf will have shit the bed by 2020. His lifestyle and temper will kill him. rzemanfl Jul 2017 #35
Based on the election of 2016 Golden Raisin Jul 2017 #37
Great. Suggest changing "Democrats" to liberals, tho. Hortensis Jul 2017 #40
If Democrats take back the house in 2018 Trump better be impeached standingtall Jul 2017 #41
Very, very depressing. lostnfound Jul 2017 #42
Actually, it should be energizing. MineralMan Jul 2017 #43
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