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Igel

(37,613 posts)
11. More than 3 years.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:53 PM
Jul 2017

Not wrt Trump, per se, but any discussion of Republicans or conservatives by those sufficiently left of center has the words "facist" and "fascism" hanging on the speakers' lips. It's virtually a general term of abuse with an arbitrarily low bar for application.

Trump's fascist. Bush II was fascist and there were already concentration camps set up for the population. Bush II was a fascist. Reagan was a fascist. Nixon was certainly a fascist. Ford, a crypto-fascist. Eisenhower, fascist. So was Coolidge. And Harding. Meh.

The guy who rounded up people based on their race and put them in concentration camps? He wasn't a fascist. Nor was the guy who dropped the A-bombs. Or suspended habeas corpus. We like them, so they're okay.

There have been precisely one fascist state and one Nazi state. They viewed themselves as different. We view them as the same and apply 'fascist' as an exonym to both. Which were their defining characteristics? I've seen lists of 2-3 traits, lists of 20+. Depends on who you talk to, and that usually depends on who they want to call "fascist" at the time. Some of the longer lists have traits that apply to Obama more than to Trump. Nobody used those lists then--but they were all the rage when Bush II was around. The definition's fluid, so fluid that the term really is just a term of abuse. We find the target, and then change the meaning to make sure it applies. Yeah, that works. Not.

Snyder's trying to sell a book while proselytizing his views. I take him as such.

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Trump has been using Hitler's playbook all along workinclasszero Jul 2017 #1
It will be swift and brutal Politicub Jul 2017 #6
Oh, no! Let's give up and cower! Nitram Jul 2017 #9
We're a population that's fast asleep Politicub Jul 2017 #12
Violence may be necessary! atreides1 Jul 2017 #26
It is way too premature to be considering violence. Nitram Jul 2017 #30
The news media will do their best to calm America workinclasszero Jul 2017 #20
I predict they'll try something during the eclipse. yodermon Jul 2017 #24
In more ways that one. Snarkoleptic Jul 2017 #7
It is so obvious katmondoo Jul 2017 #2
Including the use of anti-Semitism and other issues of "racial purity". Behind the Aegis Jul 2017 #3
And the scary thing is I don't think we'll have anyone in the world who will stop this. Initech Jul 2017 #4
With all due respect to Snyder, people have been saying this for years Orrex Jul 2017 #5
More than 3 years. Igel Jul 2017 #11
This stuff really scares me. While people go on about their business mountain grammy Jul 2017 #14
Yes there are some parallels. But there are also important differences. Nitram Jul 2017 #8
The signs are already there..It is about INTIMIDATION and CONTROL.... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2017 #10
Oh gee, something original like another "Nazi" regime comparison. Who knew? YOHABLO Jul 2017 #13
One difference is the economy denbot Jul 2017 #15
Another difference is we now know what a 1930's Nazi-type movement looks like. Snarkoleptic Jul 2017 #16
1947 War Department film on rise of Hitler: moondust Jul 2017 #17
The Brownshirts of today wear MAGA caps. nt oasis Jul 2017 #18
That's Why I Keep Warning People: Be On The Lookout For The Modern-Day Reichstag Fire ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2017 #19
I definitely see this more and more. Whoever the next Hitler is the carnage will be way worse. SweetieD Jul 2017 #21
Hitler could not have come to power Expecting Rain Jul 2017 #22
it's a dark time for the country. barbtries Jul 2017 #23
It seems to me that Trump is a dimwit in comparison to Hitler. Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2017 #25
People are being lulled Johnny2X2X Jul 2017 #27
i was watching the TR/FDR/ER ken burn's doc + it had some hitler stuff + hitler's pansypoo53219 Jul 2017 #28
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Initech Jul 2017 #29
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