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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. I disagree with Impeachment
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:02 PM
Jul 2017

Impeachments cannot be a partisan event, and that is why Pelosi said it was "off the table".

Impeachments can only really take place as a consensus moment with a substantial number of the President's own party agreeing, and this is really the way it should be or we would expect the Republicans to use it as a partisan action when they have a legislative majority.

The possibility that a substantial number (not necessarily a majority) of Republican legislators will call for Impeachment wasn't great but substantially increased this week.

The dots are now so close together that it is hard to see the white between them. There are three factors that will determine whether or not Trump will lose the unanimous backing he has today:

1) Mueller's investigation. If he finds a smoking howitzer that shows a direct link between actions by Trump and the possibility to profit from the Russian subterfuge he won't last until dawn. The fact that we now have a clear progression that goes to Kushner trying to do an end around the IC with a secret Russian based back channel is extremely damaging. These people were very careless with their phone calls. Those calls are likely still in the cloud waiting for a FISA warrant.

2) The Republican donor class. It is a mistake, IMHO, to center on what Republican Congressmen and Senators are saying. The real power is with the donor class and when they determine that Trump is too heavily damaged and cannot advance their interests they will push the button and the elected Republican politicians will move en masse.

3) Loss of the House of Representatives. If they lose the house the Senate will follow in 2020. Yes it is true that 2018 is difficult for the Democrats but if we hold 2020 requires the Republicans to defend 22 seats against 11 very safe Democratic seats. Senate Republicans will be happy, especially if either 1 or 2 above happens to declare they had no idea gambling was going on in the casino and move to put Pence in.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2020

By the way 2022 looks even worse for the Republicans, again defending 22 seats but 2 have already announced they are retiring (Johnson/Wisc and Burr/North Carolina)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2022

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So agree, Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #1
What will it take to get the 40% out to vote? sagesnow Jul 2017 #2
Perhaps THE most important political question for the next election.. n/t whathehell Jul 2017 #3
As usual, well-written, logical and correct PJMcK Jul 2017 #4
Yup. Winning elections is the only thing that will change anything. DanTex Jul 2017 #5
Things we MUST FIGHT before 2018 and 2020.... CousinIT Jul 2017 #6
I agree...RESIST! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #17
Actually, the electoral college can be reformed before 2020 Gothmog Jul 2017 #7
Thank you for the reality check! EllieBC Jul 2017 #8
I disagree with Impeachment grantcart Jul 2017 #9
Clinton was Impeached. maxsolomon Jul 2017 #14
His point, which I was responding to, was for both houses to move on Impeachment and Removal grantcart Jul 2017 #30
I agree completely. If we get the House or the Senate...Trump gets nothing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #10
If Republicans think there will be a political price in 2018 some will move to act. LS_Editor Jul 2017 #11
good idea tiredtoo Jul 2017 #12
You left out something as important: making sure that every Democrat is registered pnwmom Jul 2017 #13
Electing by popular vote does NOT require a constitutional amendment Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #15
It does require all the states to decide this is the way to do it. mwooldri Jul 2017 #26
Just 270 worth. And it would be played by federal rules Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #28
There's the problem: Maine and Nebraska. mwooldri Jul 2017 #36
The popular vote does not fall into that problem Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #38
For sure M&M. BlueJac Jul 2017 #16
Thank you. You keep trying. And I appreciate it. TygrBright Jul 2017 #18
Voting has not been at the core of our republic. Women did not vote until 1920. Senators were CK_John Jul 2017 #33
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there is no election in 2018. mountain grammy Jul 2017 #19
Hopefully, if enough damning info. like Don Jr.'s email/meeting comes out.... MrPurple Jul 2017 #20
... and stop fretting over Trump's almighty 36% "base" William Seger Jul 2017 #21
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Jul 2017 #22
#10: Military take control. mwooldri Jul 2017 #23
Well that's a totally fucked up assessment of things. Amimnoch Jul 2017 #24
When Democrats vote (for Democrats), Democrats win mcar Jul 2017 #25
Paper Ballots Podkayne K Jul 2017 #27
So just getting out the vote will GreenPartyVoter Jul 2017 #29
Gerrymandering bearsfootball516 Jul 2017 #31
Here's hoping we can pull it off! GreenPartyVoter Jul 2017 #32
2022 will be the new House seats, some states will lose a seat CK_John Jul 2017 #34
Also, SCOTUS will be taking up that huge gerrymandering Hortensis Jul 2017 #39
Drumpf will have shit the bed by 2020. His lifestyle and temper will kill him. rzemanfl Jul 2017 #35
Based on the election of 2016 Golden Raisin Jul 2017 #37
Great. Suggest changing "Democrats" to liberals, tho. Hortensis Jul 2017 #40
If Democrats take back the house in 2018 Trump better be impeached standingtall Jul 2017 #41
Very, very depressing. lostnfound Jul 2017 #42
Actually, it should be energizing. MineralMan Jul 2017 #43
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