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117. Come back and talk when you start to understand the big picture

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #94)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:56 PM

Jul 2017

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Democrats See Conservative Blue Dogs as Key to Winning House [View all] yallerdawg Jul 2017 OP

Blue Dogs? atreides1 Jul 2017 #1

If we are getting back in the majority...we have to have a big tent... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #30

I agree. Blue_true Jul 2017 #123

Reality strikes again. Thanks. Hekate Jul 2017 #167

yes, so many say blue dogs cost us single payer...no. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #196

Yes, I have a liberal senator Sherrod Brown... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #197

It's because of blue dogs that we don't have ACTUAL universal healthcare NCDem777 Jul 2017 #188

It is because of blue dogs that we actually have any healthcare...without them we would not have Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #195

Oh joy.... vi5 Jul 2017 #2

Give them everything they want no bottomofthehill Jul 2017 #75

My 'Blue Dog' in 2010 was crucified by Martha Roby (R) for voting for Pelosi as Speaker. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #86

Thank you Hekate Jul 2017 #168

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2017 #178

You mean like the IDC in deep, deep blue New York? vi5 Jul 2017 #101

So the question becomes bottomofthehill Jul 2017 #142

So I guess..... vi5 Jul 2017 #150

In order to have a majority, you must have blue dogs...and they are a millions times better than Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #198

How about running economic populists in those areas? Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2017 #3

Given that the parties are more polarized than ever mythology Jul 2017 #8

These are areas Trump did not do well in. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #31

I don't think a populist could win...Trump didn't win some of those districts. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #70

If a pure polulist economic message had a chance of working it would be in all white Montana Gothmog Jul 2017 #179

So, a shift hard Right is coming Bettie Jul 2017 #4

Actually it does...because I would not call it hard right and we get stuff done... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #79

Do you want Paul Ryan to be speaker in 2019? Gothmog Jul 2017 #181

I don't want Ryan as speaker again Bettie Jul 2017 #182

To beat Ryan, we will have to run Democrats who can win in red States Gothmog Jul 2017 #183

And by the right direction you mean RIGHT Bettie Jul 2017 #184

I live in deep red Texas Gothmog Jul 2017 #185

I said more than once I vote for the Dem Bettie Jul 2017 #186

It is not hard right...we need to recruit candidate that have a chance to win in the states they run Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #199

This Again? Me. Jul 2017 #5

How do you imagine we won the House in 2006? brooklynite Jul 2017 #6

Because W fucked up enough to expose his incompetence. eom. Bad Thoughts Jul 2017 #9

No, we ran moderates in districts moderates could win including Georgia. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #32

You can only win some districts with moderates Gothmog Jul 2017 #42

Usually...I remember in 06 we won several Georgia seats... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #57

This Cosmocat Jul 2017 #149

Some on DU despise bluedogs, despite them having 70%+ of the same political DNA. nt Blue_true Jul 2017 #124

We're back to this 1990's bullshit? Greybnk48 Jul 2017 #7

This is reality if you want a majority. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #34

I'm not moving to the right one more inch. Canada will be my next move Greybnk48 Jul 2017 #111

Right on graybnk!!! rainy Jul 2017 #127

Exactly. TooStrong Jul 2017 #203

If that's the case, why do so many blue dogs get voted out of office in favor of Republicans. tenderfoot Jul 2017 #125

Winning back control of the House is critical to dealing with trump Gothmog Jul 2017 #10

And that is Job #1 bettyellen Jul 2017 #81

There's a name for conservative Democrats. Aristus Jul 2017 #11

I believe it's called the majority party. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #12

The math is clear here Gothmog Jul 2017 #43

It is clear...you have to have moderates to have a majority. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #58

at least they are real democratic party members unlike some lefties who pretend nt msongs Jul 2017 #13

Zap! Hekate Jul 2017 #169

Here's A Good Example Of A Blue Dog Me. Jul 2017 #14

Yes - it is. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #15

So...What? Me. Jul 2017 #16

It's looking like we have! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #17

First Off...I Think You Overstate Your Case On The 2016 Election Me. Jul 2017 #18

Voters in California gave Hillary the popular vote victory. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #21

"To Fix This" Me. Jul 2017 #25

We didn't pay attention? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #29

Your Point? Me. Jul 2017 #47

Most centrist Democrats will say they personally are pro-life... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #51

In Addition... Me. Jul 2017 #20

It's quite clear the tainted election system is out of touch with the People. ck4829 Jul 2017 #160

Yes, that is true but Perriello who signed the Stupak amendment voted for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #35

Not Quite The Whole Story Me. Jul 2017 #46

I was actually showing how useful Blue dogs are in terms of being in a majority...I didn't think Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #61

However Part Of Your Point Was He Lost Because Of The ACA Me. Jul 2017 #71

Oh he did...the ACA was the issue in 2010...not the cap and trade. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #80

In order to defeat the Republicans we must become the Republicans inwiththenew Jul 2017 #19

A blue dog is not a Republican. There is no doubt that Joe Manchin will not vote for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #37

I'm so sick of this moving to the right BS! Luciferous Jul 2017 #22

Have you been repeating this since 2010? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #24

I'm sick of losing Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #55

I am so sick of losing BS. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #59

So we should basically become Republicans to win? Luciferous Jul 2017 #120

Nope...I don't consider Manchin a Republican ...and from states like WVA that is the sort of Senator Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #156

Does this work? zipplewrath Jul 2017 #23

Agree Me. Jul 2017 #26

It won in answer to Gingrich's "Contract on America." yallerdawg Jul 2017 #27

Not so sure zipplewrath Jul 2017 #28

The Affordable Care Act. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #36

In Montana a centrist candidate won the governor's race in 16 ....while Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #38

Well, we did something zipplewrath Jul 2017 #40

This is our response. "We weren't liberal enough." yallerdawg Jul 2017 #49

We weren't consistent zipplewrath Jul 2017 #52

it is not about that; what it is about is getting what you can...not always exactly Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #65

It's about consistency zipplewrath Jul 2017 #73

It really was a win after more than 100 years to get health care. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #82

It turns off other voters zipplewrath Jul 2017 #128

Not that many or Trumpcare would be law...I am sure that those whining are really 'entitiled' Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #152

To what end? zipplewrath Jul 2017 #162

Now we see them screaming don't touch the ACA...I would say we won the debate... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #163

That is completely true...you need pork to make congress function. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #102

Yes, we were able to get something good done...the ACA has save thousands of lives Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #62

And we lost the House, the Senate, and a bunch of states zipplewrath Jul 2017 #74

I call it worth it...because we saved thousands of lives...I am proud to be in party that did the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #83

History doesn't support your conclusion zipplewrath Jul 2017 #129

I completely disagree...thousand of lives have been saved. I know Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #153

Millions were skipped zipplewrath Jul 2017 #161

It is still way better than before and we could not force medicaid coverage after the SCOTUS vote... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #164

We can't zipplewrath Jul 2017 #165

Anarchists! Green! No, Blue Dogs!!! pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #33

I know ...that is true...if you never tire of losing losing and more losing. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #39

Who never votes with us when the chips are down...but runs to Stein. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #66

Yup... gotta be, until it isn't. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #77

about Blue Dogs DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #41

They will be a minority in the Democratic Party... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #44

well, are they? DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #45

But Isn't Your Point Me. Jul 2017 #48

Of course not! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #54

Not at all. On the food chain they are better than a Repbulican, and that matters now bettyellen Jul 2017 #88

Don't call me for a contribution, DCCC! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #50

The Republicans would probably send people who won't give to the DCCC a Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #67

No, they'll send thank you cards to the DCCC for trying to elect D's who vote like R's. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #72

No refusing to back the Democrats helps the Republicans in all things ... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #84

I contribute to Democrats who ALWAYS vote like Democrats! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #113

You were the one who said the DCCC should not call you. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #154

Manchin is voting against Trump care...and we are struggling to peal off GOP Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #95

Blue Dogs are the key to winning in certain areas (Red States) Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #53

Blue Dogs try to keep us honest, too. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #56

A large problem is that the districts have changed in many cases dsc Jul 2017 #60

Yeah, the problem is national at every level. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #64

There is a court case that could really help with gerrymanders at SCOTUS right now. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #69

Could you imagine if every district every ten years was drawn up... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #97

We would win the majority in the House for sure. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #157

Then after we consistently win the districts for ten years... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #158

You have a Dem governor now. Blue_true Jul 2017 #126

blue dogs leon8822 Jul 2017 #63

Did you ever hear of a Senator called Joe Manchin? Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #68

Language Turbineguy Jul 2017 #76

If they were so key then why did they lose in the first place. Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #78

No the Sanders brand of Democrat has never won in sufficient numbers to get stuff done... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #85

They lost in their individual districts by constituents who didn't see value in them anymore Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #87

+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #96

Oh please, historically the president's Party loses seats in the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #98

This country has moved so far to the rainy Jul 2017 #133

Not Actually So Me. Jul 2017 #143

we've had increased regulations as a result of Democratic backed legislation JHan Jul 2017 #144

Depends on the district and there's more that'll go Blue Dog than for Sanders... nini Jul 2017 #89

It isn't a 180 cycle. It's voting in ones interests. Iff Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #90

You'll never get YOUR interests addressed unless we get a majority back nini Jul 2017 #92

The definition of insanity: Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #94

if you mean running candidates who are not suited for the districts and states they run in, I agree. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #103

Actually I mean running candidates that don't represent Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #110

Come back and talk when you start to understand the big picture nini Jul 2017 #117

I might say the same for you Tiggeroshii Jul 2017 #121

Look.. nini Jul 2017 #134

well put...thanks. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #100

No they won't be drawn to a Sanders type candidate in red states...that is just the facts. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #99

The ACA vote killed them with both the GOP and extreme lefties bettyellen Jul 2017 #91

It was a joint effort to in 10 the alt-left (Green riffraf) and the right united Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #201

Yes. I saw some amazing Joy Reid tweets trying to explain this to a young lefty ... bettyellen Jul 2017 #206

I agree!!! rainy Jul 2017 #132

How is mayor Heath Mello these days? How about Russ feingold and zephyr teachout? La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #171

That is not really true...there were always conservadems in congress going back to Roosevelt's time. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #93

They had different names. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #104

That is true and we had solid Democratic Majorities for decades. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #106

And for quite a few of those decades that "solid majority" supported segregation. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #116

They will vote NOT to impeach Trump when the truth comes out Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #105

They will if the charges are serious enough that their constituents will rebel if they do not Samantha Jul 2017 #145

You're right about the money! Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #151

I hate it Bradical79 Jul 2017 #107

It all depends on the particular house district. Freethinker65 Jul 2017 #108

That's why hardly anyone puts rainy Jul 2017 #109

Here's my 2010 'Blue Dog' district. From Wiki! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #119

I'm not sure GaryCnf Jul 2017 #173

During his one term... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #175

I am so inattentive GaryCnf Jul 2017 #176

That does leave open the question GaryCnf Jul 2017 #187

Until 2010, our state regularly elected Democrats... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #189

No doubt 2010 was a disaster GaryCnf Jul 2017 #190

We have had that other way since 2010. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #191

Good points GaryCnf Jul 2017 #192

Trumpism is rubbing off on me! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #193

. . . GaryCnf Jul 2017 #194

If the Dem Party moves center-right/conservative... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #112

The Democratic Party has to get elected and their were conseradems during Roosevelt's time. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #200

Does the math really support what GaryCnf Jul 2017 #114

I like your use of logic. Welcome to DU. WePurrsevere Jul 2017 #131

Excellent 1st Post Me. Jul 2017 #136

Welcome to DU fleabiscuit Jul 2017 #141

+1 meadowlander Jul 2017 #148

You ignore the elephant in the room...health care. It caused most of the losses and there are Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #155

The elephant isn't being ignored GaryCnf Jul 2017 #170

Well that is the same dumb recipe that has failed for the last ten years. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #115

Of course the Eisenhower Republicans want more of their kind Warpy Jul 2017 #118

It's funny. Eko Jul 2017 #122

Not by promoting anti abortion anti lgbt anti blm sexist homophobic racist horseshit Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #137

Blue dogs Eko Jul 2017 #138

I'll try once more: racist sexist homophobes. And they frequently support Republican economic issues Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #147

People rejected establishment on both sides. snowy owl Jul 2017 #130

Hillary won the popular vote in the GE by 3 million La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #172

If you're so conservative, what did the GOP do wrong that they lost your vote? tenderfoot Jul 2017 #135

I'm passing on an observation. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #139

I believe in a 50 state strategy tammywammy Jul 2017 #140

Somehow logical strategy is accepted in sports but not politics Awsi Dooger Jul 2017 #202

They are absolutely correct. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #146

Probably true loyalsister Jul 2017 #159

"What the Dems haven't done is win all of the swing seats in the country." Good point, actually. Hekate Jul 2017 #166

We are not going to make liberals out of conservatives. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #177

Yep Hekate Jul 2017 #180

Maybe the better question GaryCnf Jul 2017 #174

Blue Dogs made the ACA possible. That is a fact. Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #204

Good observations! yallerdawg Jul 2017 #205