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CreekDog

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59. that's BS and false equivalency

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:25 AM

Jul 2012

but if you want to give up on all Democrats because of Santa Monica's city council and folks in this thread then i'm pretty sure i can't reason with you.

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Moving to Santa Monica, CA? Better Quit Smoking Now! [View all] zappaman Jul 2012 OP

Well, that's going to get thrown out by the courts. nt TheWraith Jul 2012 #1

I don't think so. it is already against the law to smoke outside in santa monica. robinlynne Jul 2012 #10

It's against the law to smoke outside in crowded areas like 3rd street promenade taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #12

Belmont, CA did it before this CreekDog Jul 2012 #15

Here in Oregon they have in apt. bldg. with little houses so movonne Jul 2012 #28

On the flip side, it's good business not to let your property get stunk up... polichick Jul 2012 #2

Great news...much of California is serious about helping smokers quit and.. Tikki Jul 2012 #3

so true! progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #9

No they don't. They just piss people off. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #75

I did....just got tired of running off to some secluded spot while.... Tikki Jul 2012 #76

I can see where conservatives get some of their more outlandish ideas about liberals from.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #4

For once, we agree on something. TheWraith Jul 2012 #14

What if their smoke enters your home? CreekDog Jul 2012 #16

Please answer my original question. TheWraith Jul 2012 #18

there is no connection between your health and neighbors having sex CreekDog Jul 2012 #19

Not everybody agrees, and you didn't answer my question. TheWraith Jul 2012 #22

you're saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? CreekDog Jul 2012 #40

What about the exhaust from your car? former9thward Jul 2012 #23

so you are advocating to close your street to traffic? CreekDog Jul 2012 #24

I am just pointing out hypocrisy. former9thward Jul 2012 #26

are you saying i drive down your street? CreekDog Jul 2012 #33

No I don't know you and I'm sure I would not want to. former9thward Jul 2012 #37

Car pollution is indeed worse than second hand smoke. zappaman Jul 2012 #38

is that a link to the New England Journal of Medicine? CreekDog Jul 2012 #41

As a local who has lived in or near Santa Monica for the past 20+ years (and coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #45

Just living next door in Venice to these assholes was too much. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #80

I unfortunately agree - Fuck that shit- I believe in freedom not tyranny Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #25

what about rules against burning wood in fireplaces? there are those rules you know CreekDog Jul 2012 #34

What a weird rule. 10% of my neighbors heat their homes with wood. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #83

Weird? No. These are metro areas with pollution problems CreekDog Jul 2012 #86

I wish I could argue against this, but you're flat out right. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #79

That's a good way of putting it. zappaman Jul 2012 #87

Sorry. Rob Reiner started all this over a failed restaurant he opened in the late 80's. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #89

I'm wondering how it affects medical marijuana users... zappaman Jul 2012 #5

Maybe they will have to vaporize mm. roody Jul 2012 #20

No "smoke" to vaping FrodosPet Jul 2012 #61

Good. More cities need to adopt this law. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #6

The stricter the better flamingdem Jul 2012 #7

Ummm.. 99% of rentals in California are non-smoking. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #8

Smoking in apartments and condos creates a nuisance for neighbors taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #11

I don't smoke but I feel sorry for smokers. Their rights are being challenged at every opportunity Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #17

what about an asthmatic who lives near a neighbor who smokes? CreekDog Jul 2012 #21

I'm asthmatic; it's woodsmoke that triggers bad attacks in me REP Jul 2012 #27

woodsmoke is prohibited for the most part in your area during high pollution days CreekDog Jul 2012 #32

claimming that someone in another apartment is causing someone a problem because they smoke is Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #48

you are saying an asthmatic who shares ventilation with a smoker next door has a character defect? CreekDog Jul 2012 #51

It is not bothering anyone. I'm an astmatic myself. Yes it is a charachter defect - except in the Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #52

Just because it doesnt bother YOUR asthma doesnt mean anything except to you. stevenleser Jul 2012 #67

you're just going to have to give up the idea that it is okay to bully people and push them around Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #72

I'm not going to have to do anything. The trend is going my way with smoking. stevenleser Jul 2012 #74

you can push the American people too far. Look a the Temperance movement. It was VERY popular when Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #82

I don't know about that Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #54

I can smell neighbor's smoke through the vent system taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #103

I wonder if people are not looking for things to annoy them Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #104

I'm horribly allergic to olive trees, can I force you to cut yours down? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #81

Bunch of crap....talk about "lets all hate on the evil of the moment" (smoking) AnOhioan Jul 2012 #13

Amen! they can kiss my ass too! fucking elitist assholes! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #31

I'm trying to figure out if your post is sarcasm demwing Jul 2012 #39

most asthmatics are not bothered by modest amounts of smoking.. In fact when I smoked cgs myself Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #49

The only asthmatic I've ever known well demwing Jul 2012 #50

Single family houses? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #29

Wanna be able to breath without an oxygen tank? Better quit now. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #30

I think most of us understand that.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #35

if you pass a law regarding smoking cigarettes, that's where the law stops CreekDog Jul 2012 #42

Really? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #43

read what i said to find out what i'm saying. CreekDog Jul 2012 #44

Why bother to vote for Democrats then? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #53

that's BS and false equivalency CreekDog Jul 2012 #59

I remember when this whole topic first appeared on DU2. Occulus Jul 2012 #102

i never made that assurance on DU2, quite the opposite CreekDog Jul 2012 #105

Use a motorcycle correctly, it's just a fun ride demwing Jul 2012 #57

I don't smoke cigarettes. zappaman Jul 2012 #36

I can understand people thinking that way, but see my below post, the alternative isn't fair either. stevenleser Jul 2012 #47

My condolences. Everything I have read indicates it is a long and extremely painful way to die. stevenleser Jul 2012 #46

Well, hell, if that's our reasoning then where do I sign up to pick which vices JoeyT Jul 2012 #56

You are comparing having sex to smoking? You really need me to point out the apples to oranges stevenleser Jul 2012 #58

reply loli phabay Jul 2012 #62

No they're pretty much both apples. JoeyT Jul 2012 #63

Comparing smoking to having sex is ridiculous on its face. stevenleser Jul 2012 #68

if that's the case, then why didn't they ban it in single family homes? CreekDog Jul 2012 #70

Because it's easier to do it on the poor. nt NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #84

You're just making things up -Santa Monica is expensive! CreekDog Jul 2012 #85

30% of the households make 40k or less. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #90

"According to a 2009 estimate, the median income for a household in the city is $71,095" CreekDog Jul 2012 #91

You make the same mistake as Republicans for income. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #96

so you're saying the law is designed to hurt poor children, preventing them from smoking... CreekDog Jul 2012 #92

It's designed to make the poor miserable. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #97

so smoking regulations are bad for kids? CreekDog Jul 2012 #98

You mistake Authoritarians for Scientists NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #99

oh, now smoking regulations are authoritarian? CreekDog Jul 2012 #100

There is a difference between regulation of industry and this. NutmegYankee Jul 2012 #101

Here are some comparisons for you...... tpsbmam Jul 2012 #77

Nope, I single out smoking because smoking harms and kills other people who didnt chose to smoke. nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #78

Well, neither sex or smoking kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #93

Are you sure you dont want to rethink your first sentence? nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #95

Soon there will be a prohibition on nicotine Taverner Jul 2012 #55

All I know, underseasurveyor Jul 2012 #60

So you smoked for 35 years and then you quit. And now you want to ban them? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #71

I wanted them banned long before I quit. underseasurveyor Jul 2012 #73

Self-righteous ex-smoker. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #94

Next obesity! Then aging! Glitterati Jul 2012 #64

Nothing quite like kctim Jul 2012 #65

that's the libertarian position i take it CreekDog Jul 2012 #69

Whenever my next door neighbor... meaculpa2011 Jul 2012 #66

How soon will the "you have to change your underwear every day" ordinance be going into effect? n/t zappaman Jul 2012 #88