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In reply to the discussion: When did so many (not all) "christians" become hateful psychopaths? [View all]RainDog
(28,784 posts)317. Fundies aligned with the KKK
posted earlier on this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002185204
In 1925, the Klan became the first national organization to urge that creationism and evolution be given equal time in public schools (see Wade 1987). In the same year, Bryan's participation in the Scopes trial turned it into a major event of international interest. When Bryan died five days after the Scopes trial, the Klan burned crosses in Bryan's memory, eulogizing him as "the greatest Klansman of our time" (Werner 1929). The Klan vowed to take up Bryan's anti-evolution cause, and a defrocked Klan official formed a short-lived rival group called the Supreme Kingdom, "whose primary purpose was carrying on Bryan's crusade against teaching evolution" (Larson 1997).
Although there was no formal connection between fundamentalism and the Klan, both movements appealed to similar people. According to McIver (1994), perhaps as many as 40,000 fundamentalist preachers joined and were active in the Klan. As Mecklin observed, "a fundamentalist would have found himself thoroughly at home in the atmosphere of Klan ceremonies" (1924: 100). Moreover, many of the leading evangelists of the early 20th century were fervent creationists who supported, and were supported by, the Klan (Moore 2001; Wade 1987). William Bell Riley - who founded the World Christian Fundamentals Association and sent Bryan to Dayton to prosecute Scopes - advocated white supremacy as well as a ban on the teaching of evolution. Similarly, evangelist Billy Sunday endorsed the Klan Kreed of white supremacy and bitterly attacked evolution. Bob Jones Sr's revivals were supported financially by the Klan (de Camp 1968). And J Frank Norris linked his attacks on evolution with assertions of the importance of white supremacy, warning his followers that white children would have to attend schools with and be taught by blacks.
Later in the 20th century, as most religious denominations in the US denounced the Klan, Southern Baptists - whose denomination was organized in 1845 as a haven for pro-slavery Baptists - were "unanimously silent on the question of the Klan" (Moore 2002a; Rosenberg 1989). " silent but powerful accessory to the segregation pattern in the South" ( 1958: 1128; see also Rosenberg 1989), the Southern Baptists opposed not only integration and other antiracist efforts, but also the teaching of evolution (Ammerman 1990), denouncing Darwinism as "a soul-destroying, Bible-destroying, and God-dishonoring theory".
A favorite strategy of creationists has been to vilify evolution. At the Scopes trial, prosecutor William Jennings Bryan warned that "All the ills from which America suffers can be traced back to the teaching of evolution." More recently, Judge Braswell Dean of the Georgia State Court of Appeals stated in 1981 that "This monkey mythology of Darwin is the cause of permissiveness, promiscuity, pills, prophylactics, perversions, pregnancies, abortions, pornotherapy, pollution, poisoning, and the proliferation of crimes of all types" (quoted in Toumey 1994: 94) and in 1999, US House of Representatives Republican Whip Tom DeLay claimed that the teaching of evolution is linked to school violence, birth control, and abortion (Anonymous 1999). As part of this vilification, many creationists blame evolution for racism. For example, Henry Morris - the most influential creationist of the late 20th century - claims that "evolutionism" is satanic and responsible for racism, abortion, and a decline in morality (Morris 1989). Today, creationist organizations such as the Creation Research Science Education Foundation sell posters claiming that evolution leads to racism, Nazism, adultery, infanticide, stealing, murder, drunkenness, and homosexuality.
Despite this late-20th-century spin associating evolution to racism, the links between creationism and racism have often been explicit in the fight to integrate public schools. Not all anti-evolutionists in the South opposed integration, but many did; for these people, banning the teaching of evolution was part of a heroic campaign to save "The Southern Way of Life" from race-mixers and atheists, who were equally evil in Dixie demonology (Irons 1988). These links were obvious when Susan Epperson challenged the Arkansas anti-evolution statute in the 1960s (Epperson v Arkansas; see Moore 2002a).
Although there was no formal connection between fundamentalism and the Klan, both movements appealed to similar people. According to McIver (1994), perhaps as many as 40,000 fundamentalist preachers joined and were active in the Klan. As Mecklin observed, "a fundamentalist would have found himself thoroughly at home in the atmosphere of Klan ceremonies" (1924: 100). Moreover, many of the leading evangelists of the early 20th century were fervent creationists who supported, and were supported by, the Klan (Moore 2001; Wade 1987). William Bell Riley - who founded the World Christian Fundamentals Association and sent Bryan to Dayton to prosecute Scopes - advocated white supremacy as well as a ban on the teaching of evolution. Similarly, evangelist Billy Sunday endorsed the Klan Kreed of white supremacy and bitterly attacked evolution. Bob Jones Sr's revivals were supported financially by the Klan (de Camp 1968). And J Frank Norris linked his attacks on evolution with assertions of the importance of white supremacy, warning his followers that white children would have to attend schools with and be taught by blacks.
Later in the 20th century, as most religious denominations in the US denounced the Klan, Southern Baptists - whose denomination was organized in 1845 as a haven for pro-slavery Baptists - were "unanimously silent on the question of the Klan" (Moore 2002a; Rosenberg 1989). " silent but powerful accessory to the segregation pattern in the South" ( 1958: 1128; see also Rosenberg 1989), the Southern Baptists opposed not only integration and other antiracist efforts, but also the teaching of evolution (Ammerman 1990), denouncing Darwinism as "a soul-destroying, Bible-destroying, and God-dishonoring theory".
A favorite strategy of creationists has been to vilify evolution. At the Scopes trial, prosecutor William Jennings Bryan warned that "All the ills from which America suffers can be traced back to the teaching of evolution." More recently, Judge Braswell Dean of the Georgia State Court of Appeals stated in 1981 that "This monkey mythology of Darwin is the cause of permissiveness, promiscuity, pills, prophylactics, perversions, pregnancies, abortions, pornotherapy, pollution, poisoning, and the proliferation of crimes of all types" (quoted in Toumey 1994: 94) and in 1999, US House of Representatives Republican Whip Tom DeLay claimed that the teaching of evolution is linked to school violence, birth control, and abortion (Anonymous 1999). As part of this vilification, many creationists blame evolution for racism. For example, Henry Morris - the most influential creationist of the late 20th century - claims that "evolutionism" is satanic and responsible for racism, abortion, and a decline in morality (Morris 1989). Today, creationist organizations such as the Creation Research Science Education Foundation sell posters claiming that evolution leads to racism, Nazism, adultery, infanticide, stealing, murder, drunkenness, and homosexuality.
Despite this late-20th-century spin associating evolution to racism, the links between creationism and racism have often been explicit in the fight to integrate public schools. Not all anti-evolutionists in the South opposed integration, but many did; for these people, banning the teaching of evolution was part of a heroic campaign to save "The Southern Way of Life" from race-mixers and atheists, who were equally evil in Dixie demonology (Irons 1988). These links were obvious when Susan Epperson challenged the Arkansas anti-evolution statute in the 1960s (Epperson v Arkansas; see Moore 2002a).
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When did so many (not all) "christians" become hateful psychopaths? [View all]
NightWatcher
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OP
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NavyDavy
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The title of this OP strains to make the distnction between 'so many' and 'all'. Yet the post I
Bluenorthwest
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Personally, I'm not greatly fond of religion itself either, so I understand more than most.
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LanternWaste
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I don't think he's quite THAT old, but he was with Hitler's Youth Patrols.
Tigress DEM
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You have the correct view. There's no use looking into the past for a period when
dimbear
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Really? So then Americans are completely bad because of everything we've done too.
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Right, but it's still fictional. I didn't say that "I" thought all Americans are bad.
Tigress DEM
Jul 2012
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You and I aren't very far apart, really. I intentionally misunderstood you because you
dimbear
Jul 2012
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A habit so strong, so old, so ALL pervasive that they are almost completely unaware of it,
patrice
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#285
I think aethia is referring to in general, on average and you are referring to one specific case/you
patrice
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#280
Part of the difficulty is the Right/Wrong concept itself. There is a middle too.
Tigress DEM
Jul 2012
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Reads as though you may be like me, in love with the mystery that we Catholics used to call the
patrice
Jul 2012
#308
Agree, on average. The last emotion to disappear from a living brain/nervous system is Fear.
patrice
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I think about that original Rollerball a lot, too. It doesn't get enough credit...
villager
Jul 2012
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They have to be a little careful to protect their tax-exempt status. Not much, but a little.
yardwork
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That was what I was going to say. All warped to stay/get rich, idolizing the rich. Saw it up close.
freshwest
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+1. IMO, too many people mistake selfishness, and ruthlessness, as signs of good leadership skills.
Zorra
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malthaussen
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1970s. The Republicans figured out a way to stay in power by coopting churches.
yardwork
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Exactly!!! The "faithful" will blindly follow, it attracts a lemming type personality IMO. n/t
RKP5637
Jul 2012
#105
That's a good point in that differentiation. Wow, there are really 38,000 Christian denominations ..
RKP5637
Jul 2012
#324
Spot on. The Right's "Southern Strategy" pales in comparison to their "Christian Strategy."
SunSeeker
Jul 2012
#141
Ive have partied with some former UW grads many years ago and I can only imagine.
DCBob
Jul 2012
#55
Problem is, when they read such, they see THEMSELVES, not others as the blessed ones...
Moonwalk
Jul 2012
#69
But there's more! like how do they explain this in relation to their relentless search for wealth
Ghost of Huey Long
Jul 2012
#162
They have no explanation for their 'praying' in public, applauding themselves for being so 'holy'
Ghost of Huey Long
Jul 2012
#163
I thought that was why they are against campaign contribution transparency.
Tigress DEM
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#319
It's interesting that your post appeared right after #12 because those were land grabs!
yardwork
Jul 2012
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and the church in the dark/middle ages creating the modern marriage was for gaining land....
NavyDavy
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Bwa-ha-ha. Great Mormon story. I would have said I hoped to return as a flea
coalition_unwilling
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#21
Why just pick on Christians? Many Muslims and Jews are just as bad. It's a thing about all
totodeinhere
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Your statement is in the right direction, Muslim are considered as ultra conserative
Thinkingabout
Jul 2012
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because Christians are always attacking other religions for the things the Christian say are hateful
NavyDavy
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I don't think that Christinas have a monoploy on that sort of thing either. n/t
totodeinhere
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The "mean" ones are also seems to be very anti-abortion but against taking care of children
Thinkingabout
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But it is primarily a discussion of the religous right, and how the perversion of a
Zorra
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You touched on what I've thought for some time now, the desire by some christians
RKP5637
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#135
no its in the right place.....its not about theology its a discussion about behavior of a certain
NavyDavy
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Well, now I know where YouTube posters hang out when they're not there.
I Love a Mystery
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The problem with religious fantatacism isn't the religion. It's the fanatacism.
rocktivity
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Good post. The social justice people left and the angry/scared took over the leadership
uppityperson
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#113
Well said. I have absolutely no use for religion anymore. I left years ago. Today to
RKP5637
Jul 2012
#83
Four events triggered this: Civil rights, roe vs. wade, Jerry Falwell and Raygun.
jwirr
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Some people accept their religious lifestyle with grace...others have a problem because...
Tikki
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I became judgmental when I started getting religious laws forced down my throat.
Shadowflash
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#111
the oped did not state all Christians, show me some proof that food stamps are being used by most
NavyDavy
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#124
"the halcyon (as imagined by us old farts) days of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s.
Occulus
Jul 2012
#222
True, but IF the conversation can result in more tolerance on both sides, it's worth it.
Tigress DEM
Jul 2012
#292
You can do and say anything and be a Christian. The label is meaningless.
Manifestor_of_Light
Jul 2012
#132
Maybe they should be called Levicites since they are more interested in old Bible Laws
ErikJ
Jul 2012
#148
My neighbors go to church every sunday to the cool and groovy born again mega church..
progressivebydesign
Jul 2012
#151
I would suggest some hateful psychopaths use religion as a front for their hate....
Thor_MN
Jul 2012
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when?, sometime between 1977 and 1980 as far as mainstream American Evangelicals are concerned
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2012
#174
This is bullshit moderators! If someone posted this same shit about Muslims or Hindus it would be
nonoxy9
Jul 2012
#175
I wouldn't worry. Assuming Christianity is true, I think it said somewhere in the Bible
Proles
Jul 2012
#180
Fortunately, there are many Christians who are not like that. Barack Obama, Joe Biden, the Clintons,
Nye Bevan
Jul 2012
#187
Agree. LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964. The southern white churches mostly were
SDjack
Jul 2012
#283
The "pain" you feel over being "attacked" (which you yourself are not) is as nothing compared to
Occulus
Jul 2012
#239
Would you be happy if Obama, Biden, the Kennedys, and Jimmy Carter renounced their Christianity? nt
Nye Bevan
Jul 2012
#220
Yep. If you start a "why do so many Muslims believe that they will be rewarded with 72 virgins
Nye Bevan
Jul 2012
#212
Funny, I've never felt "persecuted" by Christians such as Obama, Biden, the Kennedys, the Clintons,
Nye Bevan
Jul 2012
#219
There have ALWAYS been strong currents of right-wing Christianity in the United States....
YoungDemCA
Jul 2012
#240
imho, you are referencing the pagan/neopagan demonic crew that has been with US ever since Creation.
bobthedrummer
Jul 2012
#242
Please elaborate on this "unstability" in the natural sciences. I'm curious.
2ndAmForComputers
Jul 2012
#257
About the same time that many humans (not all) became hateful psychopaths.
LanternWaste
Jul 2012
#245
When the KKK stopped being a powerful force in our culture, they went Religious Right n/t
arcane1
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#278
Agree. I'd bet there is a high probability that the dominant trait(s) are negative. nt
patrice
Jul 2012
#286
The ironic thing is, the Christian Right has lost a lot of power in society at large....
YoungDemCA
Jul 2012
#320