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The Velveteen Ocelot

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67. That might be a more accurate assessment

Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:20 PM

Jul 2017

and it squares pretty well with the remark the Minneapolis cop made about cops vs. assholes. An authoritarian state of mind combined with paranoid and/or inadequate training leads to people getting shot. Add racism to the mix and black people will especially get shot. But what gets an unarmed white woman shot? We haven't heard the cop's explanation yet, and the police federation is unusually quiet. I don't know how you explain this one.

Yesterday I had to go to the 5th Precinct, the same precinct where the shooting occurred, to file a police report (and that's a whole 'nother story, having to do with asshole neighbors). There was a TV truck in the parking lot but no other unusual activity. The officer who took my report was very nice and helpful, and I wasn't worried about getting shot. But I can just imagine how weird things must be in the back offices right now.

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The issue in the Minneapolis police shooting [View all] MineralMan Jul 2017 OP

You throw on top black exboyfil Jul 2017 #1

"Their procedures need to be evaluated." No. They need to be prosecuted. Iggo Jul 2017 #4

The two are not exclusive exboyfil Jul 2017 #5

"They" didn't shoot her. B2G Jul 2017 #7

Experienced cops often get to choose the shifts they want MineralMan Jul 2017 #6

He easily could have shot his partner. cwydro Jul 2017 #14

Yes, he could have. MineralMan Jul 2017 #16

It really is beyond belief. cwydro Jul 2017 #20

Well, he likely faces criminal charges, so is remaining silent. MineralMan Jul 2017 #22

I didn't realize you were in the area. cwydro Jul 2017 #23

Press? Oh, yes. It's the topic of the week, and MineralMan Jul 2017 #24

Ok, thanks. cwydro Jul 2017 #43

Ok maybe I have my facts mixed up - but didn't Noor say he would do a press statement nadine_mn Jul 2017 #51

Yes, Good post. cwydro Jul 2017 #54

I don't think so. I doubt he is going to talk to anyone. MineralMan Jul 2017 #62

Here's the statement from the BCA: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #59

Thanks for posting that! MineralMan Jul 2017 #61

There is a statutory limit on damages paid by municipalities. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #78

The family could sue in federal court. Mosby Jul 2017 #121

I've both heard and read that the BCA there is very, very ethical - raven mad Jul 2017 #116

From what I saw on our local news this morning... WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2017 #41

Yes. Very unsafe and stupid. MineralMan Jul 2017 #45

Pajamas and guns CharleyDog Jul 2017 #46

And what HAS his partner had to say about all this? rocktivity Jul 2017 #48

This idiot literally fired his weapon across his partner's face. cwydro Jul 2017 #84

The BCA report says the other cop, Harrity, said he was startled by a loud noise just as they drove tblue37 Jul 2017 #88

A "loud noise" versus what -- a gunshot? rocktivity Jul 2017 #102

Harrity mentioned the noise and said it startled him and that Damond approached tblue37 Jul 2017 #106

Yeah that doesn't even make sense Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #110

I bet he already had his gun out as soon as they got there --again, because he was tblue37 Jul 2017 #111

And that's horrible tactics Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #112

But according to another report I read, Damond began conversing with Harrity. rocktivity Jul 2017 #113

His partner likely now has permanent hearing damage Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #93

"Why are police officers so quick to shoot people who are not police officers?" Iggo Jul 2017 #2

+1 YCHDT Jul 2017 #11

They aren't. When you look at the facts its actually quite rare. Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #118

Which is crazy because Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #3

They do have training. But, that takes a back seat MineralMan Jul 2017 #10

Training focused on threat suppression. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #21

You mentioned militarization Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #25

But the focus is threat suppression. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #35

I see your point Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #42

They do have rules of engagement training. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #80

they're all jittery with fear with their training to freakout at people approaching making noise & c Sunlei Jul 2017 #8

So did anything happen to the officer in that situation? Sorry for your loss YCHDT Jul 2017 #12

family 'forgave' him, I didn't pry-but it was a huge loss of a really nice child-college freshman. Sunlei Jul 2017 #17

Yes, and in this case, the shooter was looking MineralMan Jul 2017 #13

MM, what do you think of my theory, in post #88 above, about how this might have happened? tblue37 Jul 2017 #89

I don't know, really. Too little information. MineralMan Jul 2017 #90

have to add its not just the training. off duty they spend TO MUCH time chatting with fellow police Sunlei Jul 2017 #15

K and r. cwydro Jul 2017 #9

No problem. I've been thinking about this incident, MineralMan Jul 2017 #19

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #18

Very well stated! iluvtennis Jul 2017 #26

Thanks. It's a very frustrating situation, MineralMan Jul 2017 #27

We feel the pain all the way here in California...these senseless shootings have to stop iluvtennis Jul 2017 #32

Yes. This has become a national story. MineralMan Jul 2017 #34

It's a mess but this time it will be the race and religion malaise Jul 2017 #28

Possibly so, but I'm trying to help people understand MineralMan Jul 2017 #31

I disagree. cwydro Jul 2017 #74

Who disagrees with that point? malaise Jul 2017 #97

They shoot cops in street clothes too.. HipChick Jul 2017 #29

That's true. If you're not wearing the uniform, MineralMan Jul 2017 #30

We have had two local incidents of this happening...pretty sad HipChick Jul 2017 #40

It often seems to happen when an off-duty cop MineralMan Jul 2017 #64

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2017 #38

I think genxlib Jul 2017 #33

Yes, that plays a role, too, I'm sure. MineralMan Jul 2017 #37

Well said, MM ms liberty Jul 2017 #36

Exactly. MineralMan Jul 2017 #39

Arm everyone to the teeth and this is what you get. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #44

I agree completely. However, MineralMan Jul 2017 #49

Excellent Point. If I were a policeperson, I wouldn't trust anyone coming up to the car. Way too Hoyt Jul 2017 #104

Aren't more people of color more likely to be shot? Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #47

Yes, they are, but the risk is far from limited MineralMan Jul 2017 #50

I get that it wasn't a factor here. But it's kind of Stats 101 Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #55

I think we're probably looking at the situation from MineralMan Jul 2017 #58

Of course it needs to be Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #75

Actually, no. That is the media and anti-cop narrative, but actual studies show it to not be true Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #124

Not completely sure of the methodology of that study Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #130

Well, it's hard to study what happens in fairly small numbers Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #131

With respect, MM... while I agree this is at the core of ALL police-on-citizen violence... TygrBright Jul 2017 #52

I don't disagree with you regarding the MPD. MineralMan Jul 2017 #56

Both the mayor and the police chief are women. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #76

I would take issue with your statement "the problem isn't race." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #53

I believe that the core problem isn't one of race. MineralMan Jul 2017 #60

Agreed. cwydro Jul 2017 #63

That might be a more accurate assessment The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #67

I have had occasion to call the police a few times MineralMan Jul 2017 #69

I'm a petite white woman, and I am careful too. cwydro Jul 2017 #87

In order to have government, you must have representative of that government authorized to use force Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #120

and they empty the entire clip into them too. Ligyron Jul 2017 #57

That's part of their training. MineralMan Jul 2017 #65

Was she shot more than once? cwydro Jul 2017 #66

I don't know about this particular case. MineralMan Jul 2017 #68

Yes, I learned to shoot as a kid with my dad. cwydro Jul 2017 #70

The time I shot from inside a car was to kill a rabid skunk MineralMan Jul 2017 #72

Don't blame you one bit. cwydro Jul 2017 #73

Apparently only once. Here's the BCA news release: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #71

Thanks for posting that. cwydro Jul 2017 #79

I suppose because there are so many guns out there nowadays captain queeg Jul 2017 #77

Not all states are perpetual war zones. moondust Jul 2017 #81

I think the result of the lack of conviction is that it confirms MineralMan Jul 2017 #83

Which makes one wonder why some LEO's are afraid of their own shadows !?!?! uponit7771 Jul 2017 #86

I would like to make another point, bullsnarfle Jul 2017 #82

Yep. cwydro Jul 2017 #91

You need body cams that can be left on then Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #98

Good point. cwydro Jul 2017 #103

Absolutely. I wish body cams existed when I was doing the job Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #108

Most body cameras out there can't record a full shift Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #95

First off --- bullsnarfle Jul 2017 #137

Well on all of that Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #138

As to your premise statement: You hope. You believe. You trust. But you cannot know. Only the WinkyDink Jul 2017 #85

Your premise is flawed to some degree, and your concern overblown Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #92

And yet, an innocent young woman is dead at the hands of the police. MineralMan Jul 2017 #94

I never said what you are claiming I did Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #96

Bottom line Lee - there is NO justification for what happened. None. jmg257 Jul 2017 #99

There absolutely is no justification for that event Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #100

Agreed. Cheers! jmg257 Jul 2017 #101

Yes. cwydro Jul 2017 #126

Why is it that gun toters almost always support shooters, whether it's policeman shooting an unarmed Hoyt Jul 2017 #105

Why is it that gun haters always resort to trite stereotypes Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #109

Ignore them. cwydro Jul 2017 #114

Countless examples where you are wrong - yet you still make the claim NutmegYankee Jul 2017 #115

Should have posted just a few examples. Hoyt Jul 2017 #122

Kick. cwydro Jul 2017 #107

This one outlier notwithstanding, Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #117

I just saw where the officer who shot had 21 months on the job and his partner just a year Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #119

Kicking again. nt cwydro Jul 2017 #123

You got that right! cpamomfromtexas Jul 2017 #125

Why are you a cop if you're that scared being out there Thrill Jul 2017 #127

Right!!! YCHDT Jul 2017 #128

Well, I'm not a cop, so I have no first-hand experience MineralMan Jul 2017 #129

Feel free to apply and find out. Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #132

I think being a cop is a lot like being in the military Thrill Jul 2017 #134

Military vets are actually shown to use force less when they become cops Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #135

Cops (generally) become cops in order to "protect and serve". Decoy of Fenris Jul 2017 #133

Very well said Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #136