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46. Well First Of All We Need Some Perspective

Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:19 PM

Jul 2017

By that I mean, this is a popular board and there are a number of Sanders supporters here as well as at 'other places'. But how big of an influence are they really and how many Our Revolution people are there? Percentages would be helpful but there really are none. One indicator would be how many more votes HRC received. There was a 'DNC' tour w/3men earlier this summer but there was a lot of push back to the fact that it was designed as an all male tour and that the focus wasn't inclusive. Also, AM Joy has good discussions regarding the voting power of black women who are the most consistent of Dem voters and they are currently holding Perez's feet to the fire. I think once the Dems make an effort to recognise who truly makes up their base, their focus will be determined. After that, outreach to those who have similar goals can be enacted.

There was an article about the extreme left recently where it was said that the Dem party would have to bend the knee to them. A smug and arrogant thing to say. People sometimes overestimate themselves and their influence.

I think the only sure thing one can say is..."we'll see".

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Is there an effort to take over the Democratic Party by someone outside of our Party? [View all] pirateshipdude Jul 2017 OP

So, I'm letting you know... nt HopeAgain Jul 2017 #1

Are you going to share what you are letting me know? I am not much into guessing. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #4

You said: HopeAgain Jul 2017 #10

O.K. Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #19

Don't worry, it's NOT musette_sf Jul 2017 #114

Sanders was asked by Schumer to take a leadership position in the Democratic party Samantha Jul 2017 #65

Sanders himself, recently promoted what you accuse the Democratic Party of doing with blue dogs. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #71

To tell you the truth, I don't understand why politicians are dictating women's health care Samantha Jul 2017 #93

Thank-you for sharing this story. Another poster discussed her experience pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #94

I'm looking at Kamala Harris WhiteTara Jul 2017 #2

For 2020? I am not really looking at 2020. I do like Harris. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #7

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm WhiteTara Jul 2017 #25

Thanks for your opinions. That is all I am looking for. I just want to hear how people feel, what pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #33

Because he's an old white man? Is that all that matters to you? Towlie Jul 2017 #49

With attacks on women/girls and blacks, their lives depend on it being a big deal, or matter. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #61

It's not all. But I must say WhiteTara Jul 2017 #123

Well Said Me. Jul 2017 #82

Look to get her name right - it's Kamala. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2017 #27

I saw that typo and corrected it. WhiteTara Jul 2017 #35

Tara saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #109

I think BLM would disagree with you. I have heard them argue this point. I listen. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #113

I didn't discuss her ethnicity. Perhaps WhiteTara Jul 2017 #124

His is a voice I wish more national Dems would speak with. n/t Ron Green Jul 2017 #3

That is cool, but I am really asking a simple question. I do not agree with you on more of his pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #9

What are these "better ideas?" How will they move this Ron Green Jul 2017 #106

Some of you are asking such huge questions Democrats should already know. A few, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #107

I'm concerned that you're concerned. It's all very concerning. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #5

Is it a secret? Because it seems to me like it is the conversation. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #11

IT'S YUUUUGE CONSPIRACY!!1! HE'S PLOTTING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #13

Sanders is being treated as the "voice of the Democratic Party" Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #6

I would like to know if that treatment is creating a situation where he and his supporters pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #12

There are many who will oppose any attempt to remake the party into the image of Sanders Gothmog Jul 2017 #8

I would suggest there is a strong majority of the base that will oppose. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #16

I think that the attempt is being made to take over the party Gothmog Jul 2017 #24

Thank-you for your thought on this. I feel it is important to be honest with what is happening. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #37

So just theoretically, if the party moves to the left, as Sanders and others are urging it to do, Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #125

"I've been hearing"..."different sources"... leftstreet Jul 2017 #14

Shhhhh. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #15

Probably was Person 9 at the Trump Tower meeting leftstreet Jul 2017 #17

It's ALL over DU and just like EVERYWHERE apparently. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #20

It is all over Du. I have been having conversation with people stating pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #18

When is this takeover scheduled to happen? leftstreet Jul 2017 #22

I asked a question and I think a legitimate question. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #23

Been there, done that in 2016. Many of Sanders' ideas were put into the platform brush Jul 2017 #39

I agree with all that you are saying in this post. I do not see it either. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #42

It is less about him personally wanting to run again, I assume, and the Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #127

Either way, we don't need that divsiveness again. brush Jul 2017 #128

If it's in the media & msm, etc., please help educate us by providing a few links. Petrushka Jul 2017 #85

If you have not heard conversation that Sanders is the voice for the Democratic Party, then it is on pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #88

In your reply #18, You said, "It is all over DU."---as well as in the media & msm--but . . . Petrushka Jul 2017 #117

I Think Sanders Wants To Determine The Focus Of The Dem Party Me. Jul 2017 #21

I am curious if part of the take over would be to redefine our party. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #29

Well First Of All We Need Some Perspective Me. Jul 2017 #46

This is an informative post. You gave me stuff to ponder. Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #48

Is there an effort to leave a flaming bag of dog poop on DU's doorstep? klook Jul 2017 #26

I am a Democrat on a Democratic board asking questions about our Democratic Party pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #31

"I am really not understanding the hostility." KTM Jul 2017 #76

I do not like Sanders. I am still asking a question that I feel is valid. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #80

I think one of the issues is that you see it as an individual "taking over" KTM Jul 2017 #95

So, you think it is rubbish. I wanted opinions. Thank-you. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #98

HA Goodman and his crowd are all on board with it. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #28

O.K. Thank-you for a thought out answer. I like the party. I do. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #38

In a two party system covering millions of people.... NCTraveler Jul 2017 #40

I'm a sucker for simple analogy.. defacto7 Jul 2017 #52

Keeps everything in check. I have no issue with it. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #56

true... defacto7 Jul 2017 #67

I agree with this. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #72

We need to unite on election day. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #77

the Sanders/Clinton rift as you call it is alive and well it just isn't as evident on here m-lekktor Jul 2017 #55

It is alive. It's also just about insignificant. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #59

That's my take as well ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #62

A Couple Of Questions Here.... global1 Jul 2017 #30

Please join us and help the party to mobilize. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #44

I have had to post a link to the party platform numerous times in the past few weeks here at Du lunasun Jul 2017 #50

I found that post to be stunning. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #60

No, Mostly a lot of people flopping around looking for political air ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #32

I like this post. I like how you see it and solution you have in addressing our issues. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #43

Democrats have already started ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #51

"intersectionality at its very best, at its most inclusive. " pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #64

I don't have a problem with Bernie Sanders taking over Cary Jul 2017 #34

I would have a problem with Sanders taking over. Hence, my question. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #45

Not arguing with you PSDude Cary Jul 2017 #102

Well, I conclude they cannot run it better, and the vast majority of the Democratic base pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #108

It's pretty tough to "take over" a party, especially one that's as The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #36

Id be more concerned with the corporatist WinstonSmith00 Jul 2017 #41

What is a corporatist? pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #47

Link please.... defacto7 Jul 2017 #57

agreed Yates Amatitio Jul 2017 #53

Can't wait for the day the anti-corporatists turn in their iphones delisen Jul 2017 #92

comic genius. H2O Man Jul 2017 #54

Just a simple inquiry. MuseRider Jul 2017 #87

You do not believe in being informed about the dynamics in our Democratic Party that will pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #96

LOL MuseRider Jul 2017 #118

O.K. Thank-you for your opinion. The motive you assign to me is false. But again, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #119

I wish he would take it over, it would be a much better party m-lekktor Jul 2017 #58

He doesn't want to ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #68

Who is this big donor. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #73

Tom Steyer KTM Jul 2017 #79

Good for him. Thank-you for letting me know. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #81

This guy--he loves Bernie ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #84

He certainly is allowed and has the money to back it. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #90

I thnk there are attempts being made to divide it. LisaM Jul 2017 #63

Why would any progressive attempt to divide? No one is serious in winning another single election pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #66

I think there is a concerted effort being made to divide and maybe break up LisaM Jul 2017 #70

Yikes, that makes no logical, common, or intellectual sense. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #74

You tell me. LisaM Jul 2017 #86

Honestly, I see about the whole party as progressive and certainly myself. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #91

He can not be the voice of the Democratic Party as he is not a Democrat...end of story. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #69

Lol, you are a micro, focused brain. They have a word for that, but it is not coming to mind. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #75

It's not like a Board of Directors of a corporation GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #78

Tea Party did with the Republican Party. 2008. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #83

You will supply specific and objective evidence supporting the validity of the question, yes? LanternWaste Jul 2017 #89

I would like the Democratic Party to be a broad-based progressive organization. David__77 Jul 2017 #97

Thank-you for your thought out post. I appreciate it. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #99

A lot of people are not club joiners loyalsister Jul 2017 #100

I am not "worried" about membership. I am concerned about the direction of the party, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #101

Your OP language suggests that your concern is for the party itself loyalsister Jul 2017 #103

You had me go back up to check my OP. Nope. 2018. The concern of people's lives. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #110

"Is there an effort to take over the Democratic party?" implies that the party itself is central loyalsister Jul 2017 #120

I have been, and am a lifetime member of the Democratic Party. I have put my time and effort, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #121

No. There is an effort to make sure the Democrats are the party of the working class. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #104

Why did he refuse to rule out a 2020 run just a few days ago? n/t seaglass Jul 2017 #111

The Democratic Party shines with policies for the working class, way out thinking anyone else pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #112

For whatever it's worth, I've never alerted on any of your posts. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #122

He IS running Ken. He is already campaigning lunamagica Jul 2017 #126

The simple answer saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #105

Answer: no he's not, and yes, it's a frivolous question. brooklynite Jul 2017 #115

Thank-you for your opinion. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #116