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Lee-Lee

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92. Your premise is flawed to some degree, and your concern overblown
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:43 PM
Jul 2017

Yes, the police do see every interaction on a call as a possible threat. Because there are officers attacked and killed more often than everyone here understands. I'm sure some reading this are already starting to type about how police line of duty deaths are down and that it's not the most dangerous profession- but that's only part of the story. Police deaths are down not because there are fewer attacks on police, assaults on officers are actually rising. What accounts for the drop is that you have better body armor and it's worn 100%, you have medical care my better that makes wounds more survivable, and you have police tactics that make those attacks on police more survivable.

It's a double edged sword. Police deaths are down in part because they are so cautious and treat every stop and interaction as a potential threat. But people use the fact that deaths are down to say they shouldn't be more cautious.

It's a far more complex problem than the police mindset. That mindset is there as a result of real and actual threats and problems officers face every day. If they become complacent they are more likely to be seriously injured or killed.

Now, is more and better training on use of force needed? 100% absolutely. We should all push for that in our communities. But, that costs money. Most people will say they want better trained police but when asked to pay more taxes to fund that they don't want it. They say they want better quality officers recruited but when they are asked to pay more to recruit a better quality and more educated officer they don't want it. They want everything and want to pay for nothing- and you get what you pay for.


That said, you have to keep things in perspective. How many police shootings that are not justified are there in a given week? Less than one. There are 775,000 sworn police officers in the US. If each one works a 40 hour week they will probably interact with 100 people that week. That is over 75 million police interactions a week. While every wrongful death at the hands of police is a tragedy, statistically it's not the problem activists and the media are leading you to believe it is.

To compare it, there are around 800,000 doctors in the USA. Doctors will probably interact with the same number of patients in a week as a police officer does people. Medical errors kill 250,000 people a year in the USA. That is 4800 per week.

In contrast, the total number of people shot by police- in talking even the most clear cut and justified of shootings- in 2016 was 963.

So medical errors kill the same amount of people every 36 hours as the police kill- including justifiable shootings that make up most of that number- in and entire year.

But have you been conditioned by the media to fear every intersection with the health care system? It's more than 250 times more likely to kill you than the police are? And if you only count police errors it's 2500 more times likely to kill you with its error. If not, why not? What does that tell you about how the media and some activist groups have been manipulating your perceptions and emotions?

Wrongful police shootings from police errors, while
Each one tragic, are less than 100 a year even in the most worst of years. Medical errors kill over 250,000 a year. Why is there all the focus on one?

Given that cops receive a fraction of the public that doctors and nurses do in most areas, it should be seen as remarkable that they as a profession have a fatal error rate that is 2500 times lower.

Keep it in perspective, people.





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You throw on top black exboyfil Jul 2017 #1
"Their procedures need to be evaluated." No. They need to be prosecuted. Iggo Jul 2017 #4
The two are not exclusive exboyfil Jul 2017 #5
"They" didn't shoot her. B2G Jul 2017 #7
Experienced cops often get to choose the shifts they want MineralMan Jul 2017 #6
He easily could have shot his partner. cwydro Jul 2017 #14
Yes, he could have. MineralMan Jul 2017 #16
It really is beyond belief. cwydro Jul 2017 #20
Well, he likely faces criminal charges, so is remaining silent. MineralMan Jul 2017 #22
I didn't realize you were in the area. cwydro Jul 2017 #23
Press? Oh, yes. It's the topic of the week, and MineralMan Jul 2017 #24
Ok, thanks. cwydro Jul 2017 #43
Ok maybe I have my facts mixed up - but didn't Noor say he would do a press statement nadine_mn Jul 2017 #51
Yes, Good post. cwydro Jul 2017 #54
I don't think so. I doubt he is going to talk to anyone. MineralMan Jul 2017 #62
Here's the statement from the BCA: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #59
Thanks for posting that! MineralMan Jul 2017 #61
There is a statutory limit on damages paid by municipalities. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #78
The family could sue in federal court. Mosby Jul 2017 #121
I've both heard and read that the BCA there is very, very ethical - raven mad Jul 2017 #116
From what I saw on our local news this morning... WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2017 #41
Yes. Very unsafe and stupid. MineralMan Jul 2017 #45
Pajamas and guns CharleyDog Jul 2017 #46
And what HAS his partner had to say about all this? rocktivity Jul 2017 #48
This idiot literally fired his weapon across his partner's face. cwydro Jul 2017 #84
The BCA report says the other cop, Harrity, said he was startled by a loud noise just as they drove tblue37 Jul 2017 #88
A "loud noise" versus what -- a gunshot? rocktivity Jul 2017 #102
Harrity mentioned the noise and said it startled him and that Damond approached tblue37 Jul 2017 #106
Yeah that doesn't even make sense Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #110
I bet he already had his gun out as soon as they got there --again, because he was tblue37 Jul 2017 #111
And that's horrible tactics Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #112
But according to another report I read, Damond began conversing with Harrity. rocktivity Jul 2017 #113
His partner likely now has permanent hearing damage Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #93
"Why are police officers so quick to shoot people who are not police officers?" Iggo Jul 2017 #2
+1 YCHDT Jul 2017 #11
They aren't. When you look at the facts its actually quite rare. Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #118
Which is crazy because Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #3
They do have training. But, that takes a back seat MineralMan Jul 2017 #10
Training focused on threat suppression. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #21
You mentioned militarization Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #25
But the focus is threat suppression. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #35
I see your point Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #42
They do have rules of engagement training. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #80
they're all jittery with fear with their training to freakout at people approaching making noise & c Sunlei Jul 2017 #8
So did anything happen to the officer in that situation? Sorry for your loss YCHDT Jul 2017 #12
family 'forgave' him, I didn't pry-but it was a huge loss of a really nice child-college freshman. Sunlei Jul 2017 #17
Yes, and in this case, the shooter was looking MineralMan Jul 2017 #13
MM, what do you think of my theory, in post #88 above, about how this might have happened? tblue37 Jul 2017 #89
I don't know, really. Too little information. MineralMan Jul 2017 #90
have to add its not just the training. off duty they spend TO MUCH time chatting with fellow police Sunlei Jul 2017 #15
K and r. cwydro Jul 2017 #9
No problem. I've been thinking about this incident, MineralMan Jul 2017 #19
K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2017 #18
Very well stated! iluvtennis Jul 2017 #26
Thanks. It's a very frustrating situation, MineralMan Jul 2017 #27
We feel the pain all the way here in California...these senseless shootings have to stop iluvtennis Jul 2017 #32
Yes. This has become a national story. MineralMan Jul 2017 #34
It's a mess but this time it will be the race and religion malaise Jul 2017 #28
Possibly so, but I'm trying to help people understand MineralMan Jul 2017 #31
I disagree. cwydro Jul 2017 #74
Who disagrees with that point? malaise Jul 2017 #97
They shoot cops in street clothes too.. HipChick Jul 2017 #29
That's true. If you're not wearing the uniform, MineralMan Jul 2017 #30
We have had two local incidents of this happening...pretty sad HipChick Jul 2017 #40
It often seems to happen when an off-duty cop MineralMan Jul 2017 #64
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2017 #38
I think genxlib Jul 2017 #33
Yes, that plays a role, too, I'm sure. MineralMan Jul 2017 #37
Well said, MM ms liberty Jul 2017 #36
Exactly. MineralMan Jul 2017 #39
Arm everyone to the teeth and this is what you get. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #44
I agree completely. However, MineralMan Jul 2017 #49
Excellent Point. If I were a policeperson, I wouldn't trust anyone coming up to the car. Way too Hoyt Jul 2017 #104
Aren't more people of color more likely to be shot? Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #47
Yes, they are, but the risk is far from limited MineralMan Jul 2017 #50
I get that it wasn't a factor here. But it's kind of Stats 101 Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #55
I think we're probably looking at the situation from MineralMan Jul 2017 #58
Of course it needs to be Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #75
Actually, no. That is the media and anti-cop narrative, but actual studies show it to not be true Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #124
Not completely sure of the methodology of that study Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2017 #130
Well, it's hard to study what happens in fairly small numbers Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #131
With respect, MM... while I agree this is at the core of ALL police-on-citizen violence... TygrBright Jul 2017 #52
I don't disagree with you regarding the MPD. MineralMan Jul 2017 #56
Both the mayor and the police chief are women. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #76
I would take issue with your statement "the problem isn't race." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #53
I believe that the core problem isn't one of race. MineralMan Jul 2017 #60
Agreed. cwydro Jul 2017 #63
That might be a more accurate assessment The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #67
I have had occasion to call the police a few times MineralMan Jul 2017 #69
I'm a petite white woman, and I am careful too. cwydro Jul 2017 #87
In order to have government, you must have representative of that government authorized to use force Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #120
and they empty the entire clip into them too. Ligyron Jul 2017 #57
That's part of their training. MineralMan Jul 2017 #65
Was she shot more than once? cwydro Jul 2017 #66
I don't know about this particular case. MineralMan Jul 2017 #68
Yes, I learned to shoot as a kid with my dad. cwydro Jul 2017 #70
The time I shot from inside a car was to kill a rabid skunk MineralMan Jul 2017 #72
Don't blame you one bit. cwydro Jul 2017 #73
Apparently only once. Here's the BCA news release: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #71
Thanks for posting that. cwydro Jul 2017 #79
I suppose because there are so many guns out there nowadays captain queeg Jul 2017 #77
Not all states are perpetual war zones. moondust Jul 2017 #81
I think the result of the lack of conviction is that it confirms MineralMan Jul 2017 #83
Which makes one wonder why some LEO's are afraid of their own shadows !?!?! uponit7771 Jul 2017 #86
I would like to make another point, bullsnarfle Jul 2017 #82
Yep. cwydro Jul 2017 #91
You need body cams that can be left on then Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #98
Good point. cwydro Jul 2017 #103
Absolutely. I wish body cams existed when I was doing the job Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #108
Most body cameras out there can't record a full shift Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #95
First off --- bullsnarfle Jul 2017 #137
Well on all of that Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #138
As to your premise statement: You hope. You believe. You trust. But you cannot know. Only the WinkyDink Jul 2017 #85
Your premise is flawed to some degree, and your concern overblown Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #92
And yet, an innocent young woman is dead at the hands of the police. MineralMan Jul 2017 #94
I never said what you are claiming I did Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #96
Bottom line Lee - there is NO justification for what happened. None. jmg257 Jul 2017 #99
There absolutely is no justification for that event Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #100
Agreed. Cheers! jmg257 Jul 2017 #101
Yes. cwydro Jul 2017 #126
Why is it that gun toters almost always support shooters, whether it's policeman shooting an unarmed Hoyt Jul 2017 #105
Why is it that gun haters always resort to trite stereotypes Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #109
Ignore them. cwydro Jul 2017 #114
Countless examples where you are wrong - yet you still make the claim NutmegYankee Jul 2017 #115
Should have posted just a few examples. Hoyt Jul 2017 #122
Kick. cwydro Jul 2017 #107
This one outlier notwithstanding, Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #117
I just saw where the officer who shot had 21 months on the job and his partner just a year Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #119
Kicking again. nt cwydro Jul 2017 #123
You got that right! cpamomfromtexas Jul 2017 #125
Why are you a cop if you're that scared being out there Thrill Jul 2017 #127
Right!!! YCHDT Jul 2017 #128
Well, I'm not a cop, so I have no first-hand experience MineralMan Jul 2017 #129
Feel free to apply and find out. Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #132
I think being a cop is a lot like being in the military Thrill Jul 2017 #134
Military vets are actually shown to use force less when they become cops Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #135
Cops (generally) become cops in order to "protect and serve". Decoy of Fenris Jul 2017 #133
Very well said Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #136
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