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Jim Lane

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73. I can guarantee you that the Democratic nominee in 2020 will be imperfect

Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:16 AM

Jul 2017

The nominee will have some deficiencies in terms of serving as President. In addition, he or she will have some deficiencies in terms of being a candidate. The "brand is damaged" phrase seems to be a somewhat trendy way of referring to the latter point. Hence, our nominee will definitely be someone whose brand is damaged in some respect(s).

In 2016, I voted in the primary for a candidate with a damaged brand, then in the general election I voted for a different candidate with a damaged brand. In each case, there were only two candidates with a realistic chance to win, and I picked the one that I thought was better. I expect to do the same in 2020.

The upshot is that it's not enough to point out Bernie's imperfections. I don't know if he'll run in 2020, but, whether or not he does, our field in the primary will consist of imperfect candidates. It's quite possible that Bernie, damaged brand and all, will be the best of the lot.

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We Sanders supporters need to recognize that his brand is damaged now [View all] TXCritter Jul 2017 OP

at least he is out there fighting the repubs in public appearances. good on him for that. dems? nt msongs Jul 2017 #1

Yes, absolutely! TXCritter Jul 2017 #2

All sorts of democrats are out there leading the resistance La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2017 #6

It says something that you only see and hear Sanders while the Democratic Party does the work. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #8

Uh...just so you know, the poster you are responding to there was an implacably anti-Sanders in '16. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #69

Dems? Have you been paying no attention at all? bettyellen Jul 2017 #9

I've seen a bunch of Dems raising hell BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #12

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #15

Because we have so many votes we can just discard supporters? TXCritter Jul 2017 #18

Seriously. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #84

"Fighting the repubs in public appearances." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2017 #23

The Democrats are doing the same. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #26

mostly what I see in media here is sanders. oh and Schumer statement. may well be more msongs Jul 2017 #33

We heard the same garbage about Democrats silent on Trump Jr email, so poster started a thread. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #36

That was awesome! brer cat Jul 2017 #91

Good questions Cary Jul 2017 #133

Well, I have seen... sheshe2 Jul 2017 #37

It is so easy not to pay attention then accuse Democrats do nothing. Priceless. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #38

Indeed. He has a major role to play in keeping the economic justice movement together Ken Burch Jul 2017 #55

Hear, hear. Well said secondwind Jul 2017 #81

Wish more people around here realized that, instead of jettisoning a core constituancy. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #86

Dems are out there everyday fighting too...so you can stop with the innuendo. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #80

How Democrats Won the Healthcare War pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #98

Thank you for your concern. n/t X_Digger Jul 2017 #3

I'm not sure if his brand has changed much NobodyHere Jul 2017 #4

His brand was insufficient for a win and I feel would be the same in 20. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #93

Oh please. We have REAL battles now. Duppers Jul 2017 #5

An excellent post. We need to hear this from people that support Sanders, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #7

Sanders as a presidential candidate has issues Ken Burch Jul 2017 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #60

You have the right to hold any opinion you want. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #64

Sanders "value" is our value. If you look at what Sanders wants as far as pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #71

"We Sanders supporters" need to do this, do "we"? mac56 Jul 2017 #10

One futile battle per lifetime is enough TXCritter Jul 2017 #21

Sorry you're tired out. mac56 Jul 2017 #25

The Root article is a good article Gothmog Jul 2017 #11

I find very little to agree with Sanders supporters about these days, but this assessment is spot on Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #13

And I find little to agree with Clinton Supporters.... we can change that. TXCritter Jul 2017 #19

Would be nice. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #85

Neither Sanders nor Clinton have a chance tavernier Jul 2017 #95

I'm tired of hearing about Bernie period. BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #14

Sanders is fine as long as he is one of the many ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #16

lol m-lekktor Jul 2017 #17

so ignore what's in the actual article? JHan Jul 2017 #20

From the article. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #27

++++++ JHan Jul 2017 #29

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #146

The meme about Sanders & racism is utterly false. snot Jul 2017 #22

You got that right... Bernie a racist? Don't make me laugh! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #88

the article does NOT SAY bernie is racist FFS. JHan Jul 2017 #89

He was, though, repeatedly(and unjustly)accused of not caring about the need to fight it Ken Burch Jul 2017 #142

You know the roots article in question is the best answer for this post JHan Jul 2017 #144

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #24

You're right. The "Sanders brand" didn't make it out of the primaries for the reasons stated in... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2017 #28

And now we know it wasn't the HRC brand either if you have been paying attention. nikibatts Jul 2017 #30

for Christ sake bluestarone Jul 2017 #31

+1000 flamingdem Jul 2017 #42

IT WAS WELL-OFF WHITE VOTERS WHO CAME OUT IN FORCE FOR TRUMP killbotfactory Jul 2017 #32

And what about the 45% that DIDN'T Vote? TXCritter Jul 2017 #35

Well, not exactly, if you're speaking of Dems. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #65

cops can now steal everything you own. that should be an issue for bernie/HRC/some trump voters nt msongs Jul 2017 #34

Is HRC running for President? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #40

I got 99 problems moda253 Jul 2017 #39

like wut! yuiyoshida Jul 2017 #45

Must be time to stir the OLe Shit Pot!!!! Cryptoad Jul 2017 #41

Not wanting to wade in but really Bernie was never going to win that demographic flamingdem Jul 2017 #43

There is a reason for that BainsBane Jul 2017 #48

You are right. She did build those relationships over many years. She earned them Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #96

Interesting write up. Thanks. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #100

That's a very balanced and well articulated critique flamingdem Jul 2017 #108

Interesting. TooStrong Jul 2017 #104

He literally, told women to sit down, that he had this as the greatest feminist, evah. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #107

I can't really answer that BainsBane Jul 2017 #111

Welcome to DU, TooStrong. calimary Jul 2017 #114

To answer this question would be a violation of the TOS here- and alerts fly fast so.... bettyellen Jul 2017 #119

Until the general election, when turnout among blacks fell loyalsister Jul 2017 #105

Thank you for adding that fact flamingdem Jul 2017 #109

VOTER SUPPRESSION BainsBane Jul 2017 #115

Due to massive voter suppression BainsBane Jul 2017 #113

OF COURSE!!! loyalsister Jul 2017 #117

It disturbs me how little attention there is BainsBane Jul 2017 #118

You're right, I haven't heard much of a breakdown on how messing with flamingdem Jul 2017 #122

There was a thread the other day BainsBane Jul 2017 #127

+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #134

Feel the Bern CentralMass Jul 2017 #44

Not only feel the bern for a year and half, but using up all the ointment for all the berns. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #54

Well. The man is is still polling as the most popoular Senator.. CentralMass Jul 2017 #59

As is your right. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #62

I support anyone, Democrat, Independent or even Republican mountain grammy Jul 2017 #46

He'all be 79 in 2020 BainsBane Jul 2017 #47

Yet the Supreme Court is older than dirt---with lifetime appointments flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #50

That job isn't nearly as demanding as president BainsBane Jul 2017 #75

At first I thought this said "his brain is damaged now" flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #49

I did, too! lol. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #58

strongly disagree H2O Man Jul 2017 #51

What is needed is a candidate who blends Bernie's economic vision- Ken Burch Jul 2017 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #56

They were both better on other issues...but both were too timid on economics Ken Burch Jul 2017 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #68

Excuse me, but what Clinton policies did Bernie ever adopt? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 2017 #76

its quite clear to me BainsBane Jul 2017 #125

This is an awesome post. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #135

K&R. nt ecstatic Jul 2017 #53

I'm a yuuuuge Bernie supporter but you are probably right LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #61

First of all Sanders wasn't bringing us together onetexan Jul 2017 #66

+1, exactly. R B Garr Jul 2017 #145

It is simply amazing the number of hit pieces which are emerging on Sanders at the same time Samantha Jul 2017 #70

Trash thread is a useful tool. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #77

He won't make it out of the primary...he can spoil a general election but not Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #94

It was a 2 person field in 2016 BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #103

I can guarantee you that the Democratic nominee in 2020 will be imperfect Jim Lane Jul 2017 #73

Riiiiiight.... Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2017 #74

Damaged? Even Fox admits Bernie is the most popular politician in america. jg10003 Jul 2017 #78

I've tried pointing that out to no avail... the trash Bernie movement continues unabated. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #87

The RW and Russians have always pushed Sanders- you didn't know that? bettyellen Jul 2017 #120

Just like having Hamsher and Kucinich on to bash the Dems stevenleser Jul 2017 #141

The Writer of the Roots Piece Is Showing Her Sanders Bias.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 #79

Sanders connected with black voters under 27, and just barely... JHan Jul 2017 #90

that is what many here really feel dsc Jul 2017 #99

I way too many cases... GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #140

Your concern is noted. n/t ms liberty Jul 2017 #82

Scary Sanders strikes again ProfessorPlum Jul 2017 #83

I support Senator Sanders 100%. He is IN the fight VS Republicans FOR US. Here is 7/18 interview!! Sunlei Jul 2017 #92

He did it to himself Blue_Adept Jul 2017 #97

Right. The most popular and hard working Senator's 'brand' is damaged.... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #101

I think the poster means as a potential presidential candidate...and I agree. Bernie Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #102

The most popular senator IN VT. Tiny, homogeneous state. That doesn't work on a national level lunamagica Jul 2017 #121

Who says? Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #123

lol, of course they do. But you keep repeating the "he is the most popular senator" as if lunamagica Jul 2017 #126

Actually, according to .... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #129

I think people who have lost major elections should move on loyalsister Jul 2017 #106

Losing in the GE is the kiss of death. Losing in a primary isn't. Trump has run before. Clinton ran JCanete Jul 2017 #137

There's no logical reason to run after having lost in a competetive primary loyalsister Jul 2017 #138

well the logical reason is that you think you can win. Clinton was in a competitive primary. She JCanete Jul 2017 #139

Other dems: "All lives Matter". Bernie: "Black Lives Matter" redgreenandblue Jul 2017 #110

Can we give decent burial to the meme that Bernie Sanders didn't appeal to black voters. LongTomH Jul 2017 #112

No because it's not. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2017 #116

Whaa? Has Bernie started making millions giving speeches to Wall Street banks? jalan48 Jul 2017 #124

Seems you got what you wanted out of this. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #128

We've been hearing that message from the day Bernie announced his candidacy in April 2015. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #130

Disagree. LWolf Jul 2017 #131

Who is 'we', Kemosabe? aidbo Jul 2017 #132

I'm not sure he has stumbled as badly as you think though. It sounds like his early campaign had JCanete Jul 2017 #136

Damaged brand? Nobody's brand is more damaged than the President. MiltonBrown Jul 2017 #143