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In reply to the discussion: We Sanders supporters need to recognize that his brand is damaged now [View all]LWolf
(46,179 posts)131. Disagree.
We can promote economic justice without abandoning social justice. They are interconnected in many, not all, ways. We don't have to pick just one.
That's what the establishment Democratic Party, and Democrats have done. They've divorced them to focus on social justice and identity politics, instead of bring them, and all the people needing justice of either kind or both together.
As far as the comments about dismissing black women...can we look at who is a leader in Our Revolution? This is the black woman I'd like to vote into the WH in 2020.
https://www.thenation.com/article/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/
You stood out as one of the first black politicians to throw your support behind Senator Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary, and it ended up that black voters in the Midwest came out for Sanders more than in other parts of the country. But the Senator wasnt able to pull the kind of support among black voters that he needed to win. And on top of that, the Bernie movement was criticized a lot for being largely white and also middle class. So, Im wondering, what will you do in your leadership role to bring more POC into the fold.
Nina Turner: I want to push back on that a little bit. I think some of that narrative during the campaign was exaggerated a bit. But if you do the visuals, yes, there were lots of, not just middle-class white people but young white people who were far from middle class.
But we do know from the Harvard-Harris Poll that right now Senator Bernie Sanders is the most popular active politician in the United States of America, with broad support from African Americans, Latinos, and women. So its like night and day between when he was running and how those particular groups feel about him today. So Im gonna continue the message that we have, the message that he had and continues to have. The message of Our Revolution is about the working poor and middle class in this country.
I want to point to an example of the Peoples Summit, if I may, where the senator spoke. There were about 4,500 people there, and 54 percent of the people there were of color. I use that as an example because the senator was the keynote speaker on Saturday night at that event. That is a big deal. That is something that maybe people would not have picked up on in the latter part of 2015 and all through the 2016 election cycle, but when we were in the theater there in Chicago, you saw a mosaic. You saw a sea, the sea of humanity, and you saw black and brown, and you saw white, and you saw people in-between. Do we agree on everything? Absolutely not. Some people might be in the movement because they care about the environment, some people about race justice, other people about income and wealth inequality, but the fact that were able to pull people together in that way to say that it is possible and that we have an opportunity and an obligation to demand more for, not just ourselves, but for generations unborn.
Nina Turner: I want to push back on that a little bit. I think some of that narrative during the campaign was exaggerated a bit. But if you do the visuals, yes, there were lots of, not just middle-class white people but young white people who were far from middle class.
But we do know from the Harvard-Harris Poll that right now Senator Bernie Sanders is the most popular active politician in the United States of America, with broad support from African Americans, Latinos, and women. So its like night and day between when he was running and how those particular groups feel about him today. So Im gonna continue the message that we have, the message that he had and continues to have. The message of Our Revolution is about the working poor and middle class in this country.
I want to point to an example of the Peoples Summit, if I may, where the senator spoke. There were about 4,500 people there, and 54 percent of the people there were of color. I use that as an example because the senator was the keynote speaker on Saturday night at that event. That is a big deal. That is something that maybe people would not have picked up on in the latter part of 2015 and all through the 2016 election cycle, but when we were in the theater there in Chicago, you saw a mosaic. You saw a sea, the sea of humanity, and you saw black and brown, and you saw white, and you saw people in-between. Do we agree on everything? Absolutely not. Some people might be in the movement because they care about the environment, some people about race justice, other people about income and wealth inequality, but the fact that were able to pull people together in that way to say that it is possible and that we have an opportunity and an obligation to demand more for, not just ourselves, but for generations unborn.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/342406-turner-marches-on-in-the-sanders-revolution
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We Sanders supporters need to recognize that his brand is damaged now [View all]
TXCritter
Jul 2017
OP
at least he is out there fighting the repubs in public appearances. good on him for that. dems? nt
msongs
Jul 2017
#1
It says something that you only see and hear Sanders while the Democratic Party does the work.
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#8
Uh...just so you know, the poster you are responding to there was an implacably anti-Sanders in '16.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#67
mostly what I see in media here is sanders. oh and Schumer statement. may well be more
msongs
Jul 2017
#33
We heard the same garbage about Democrats silent on Trump Jr email, so poster started a thread.
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#36
It is so easy not to pay attention then accuse Democrats do nothing. Priceless. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#38
Indeed. He has a major role to play in keeping the economic justice movement together
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#55
Wish more people around here realized that, instead of jettisoning a core constituancy.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2017
#86
Dems are out there everyday fighting too...so you can stop with the innuendo.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#80
An excellent post. We need to hear this from people that support Sanders,
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#7
Sanders "value" is our value. If you look at what Sanders wants as far as
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#71
I find very little to agree with Sanders supporters about these days, but this assessment is spot on
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2017
#13
He was, though, repeatedly(and unjustly)accused of not caring about the need to fight it
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#142
You're right. The "Sanders brand" didn't make it out of the primaries for the reasons stated in...
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2017
#28
And now we know it wasn't the HRC brand either if you have been paying attention.
nikibatts
Jul 2017
#30
cops can now steal everything you own. that should be an issue for bernie/HRC/some trump voters nt
msongs
Jul 2017
#34
Not wanting to wade in but really Bernie was never going to win that demographic
flamingdem
Jul 2017
#43
You are right. She did build those relationships over many years. She earned them
Tom Rinaldo
Jul 2017
#96
He literally, told women to sit down, that he had this as the greatest feminist, evah.
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#107
To answer this question would be a violation of the TOS here- and alerts fly fast so....
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#119
Not only feel the bern for a year and half, but using up all the ointment for all the berns. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jul 2017
#54
It is simply amazing the number of hit pieces which are emerging on Sanders at the same time
Samantha
Jul 2017
#70
He won't make it out of the primary...he can spoil a general election but not
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#94
I've tried pointing that out to no avail... the trash Bernie movement continues unabated.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2017
#87
I support Senator Sanders 100%. He is IN the fight VS Republicans FOR US. Here is 7/18 interview!!
Sunlei
Jul 2017
#92
Right. The most popular and hard working Senator's 'brand' is damaged....
Trial_By_Fire
Jul 2017
#101
I think the poster means as a potential presidential candidate...and I agree. Bernie
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#102
The most popular senator IN VT. Tiny, homogeneous state. That doesn't work on a national level
lunamagica
Jul 2017
#121
lol, of course they do. But you keep repeating the "he is the most popular senator" as if
lunamagica
Jul 2017
#126
Losing in the GE is the kiss of death. Losing in a primary isn't. Trump has run before. Clinton ran
JCanete
Jul 2017
#137
There's no logical reason to run after having lost in a competetive primary
loyalsister
Jul 2017
#138
well the logical reason is that you think you can win. Clinton was in a competitive primary. She
JCanete
Jul 2017
#139
Can we give decent burial to the meme that Bernie Sanders didn't appeal to black voters.
LongTomH
Jul 2017
#112
Whaa? Has Bernie started making millions giving speeches to Wall Street banks?
jalan48
Jul 2017
#124
We've been hearing that message from the day Bernie announced his candidacy in April 2015.
aikoaiko
Jul 2017
#130