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karynnj

(60,765 posts)
25. Bernie did not destroy the Democratic party
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 02:39 PM
Jul 2017

There are many reasons that can be suggested for why Clinton lost -- and none of them have anything to do with Bernie.

1) It may be that the fact that so many people for nearly a decade said the country was going in the wrong direction, made 2016 another election where being the change candidate was an advantage. Yes, I know that Clinton in one primary debaate suggested that the fact that she was a woman made her a change candidate --- however, having been at or near the center of power for 20 years, meant that few saw her that way.

2) Clinton herself blames Comey's 2 letters --- and you can look at the fact that her abysmal handling of the email issue meant that the majority of the country responded in poll after poll that they did not see her as honest and trustworthy. That happened BEFORE the FBI investigation started. Not to mention, Comey himself explained that Bill Clinton's ill advised meeting with Lynch led to his announcement of the decision to not indict and the promise to tell Congress if anything new came up. Comey should have known that a letter to Congress would be released to the media in a second!

3) Nearly half of the country hears only Fox, rw talk radio and reads only rw slanted news. This is a systemic problem that has gotten worse in each election. Add to that the more mainstream cable TV seemed mesmerized by the Donald Trump show, fearing if they broke away they would miss some really outrageous thing he would say. He got an immense amount of free, unfiltered coverage. I have not seen any summaries, but I would imagine he got more coverage in the general election time frame than any other candidate has ever had.

4) The Russians --

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O'Malley is definitely busy loyalsister Jul 2017 #1
Totally agreed with all you said. O.K., almost. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #2
The expectations and early PACs must have been discouraging loyalsister Jul 2017 #5
Yes, yes and yes. Clinton was formidable in her own right and Sanders colorful and bright. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #6
I really think he would be a great executive. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #9
The worst public speaker I have ever heard. Lol. I totally agree with that. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #10
I hope O' Malley runs, ans wins! lunamagica Jul 2017 #3
Yes, but I do not know. There really are so many possibilities. Who knows what will come forward. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #4
Whoever runs BainsBane Jul 2017 #7
Lol, yes. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #8
Oh hell yes. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2017 #11
I'm over 70 and agree with you completely! FreeStateDemocrat Jul 2017 #14
Powerful Post 'Dude' Me. Jul 2017 #12
I would not call it 'dividing the party'... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #13
I thought I was clear in my OP that both O'Malley and Sanders appear to be creating their base. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #15
It is important to note that... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #19
O'Malley position is a higher quality of Liberal, Progressive, Democratic. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #21
If he runs and loses the primary as I believe he would...it could cause division and Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #17
I have not made up my mind about a 2020 Sanders presidential run... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #20
It is not a matter of guild...I don't forese that...what I so see is a loss if he loses the primary Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #29
I have no problem with O'Malley running...but I am absolutely against either Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #16
All I know is is that I won't be a returning Sanders voter. I'll be migrating elsewhere. Blue_Adept Jul 2017 #18
He'll be 79 by then..sorry but no, please don't sunonmars Jul 2017 #22
Absolute garbage - Sanders is not why women are dying, Latinos are being deported or against gays karynnj Jul 2017 #23
The destruction/chaos of our Democratic party and the splitting of the party helped to create pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #24
Bernie did not destroy the Democratic party karynnj Jul 2017 #25
I am not going to jump into primary discussion. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #26
You knew Bernie 50 years ago -- 1969?? karynnj Jul 2017 #27
There is documented conversation by Sanders. He speaks. I listen. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #28
Nonsense. KTM Jul 2017 #32
Nu uh. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #33
Yeah, theres the empty response we expected. KTM Jul 2017 #34
They have a GOP governor. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #30
Yes, we do have a Republican Governor - so does Massachusetts, even Hawaii had a Republican governor karynnj Jul 2017 #31
I didn't say anyone was responsible. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #35
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