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LWolf

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38. I think the reality is that

Reply to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:31 PM

Jul 2017

it doesn't matter WHAT term; beyond normal evolution of language, when it comes to politics, EVERYTHING is going to be twisted and misused. So every time we give up on one term and start using another that has not yet been twisted, it won't be long before it joins the collection of words deliberately misused for the purposes of propaganda.

It's hard to use "liberal" and "progressive" because they've been misused for so long that they mean different things to different people, so that it's not clear what any individual using them might actually be saying. Neo-liberal may head in that direction; I don't think it's there yet, because it's really been ignored until power holders wanted to deflect blame for the party's political debacle of '16.

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Everyone Hates Neoliberals, So We Talked to Some [View all] comradebillyboy Jul 2017 OP

The term "neoliberal" has been basterdized to the point of no return. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1

If you use the term "neoliberal", IMO you've lost the argument. LisaM Jul 2017 #2

I disagree. It means a LOT, but it can be summed up.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #3

Yes. LWolf Jul 2017 #8

Folks used the term "neo-liberal" on DU'ers who are adamantly against trickle-down and privatization emulatorloo Jul 2017 #10

The manipulating LWolf Jul 2017 #12

I've beem called neoliberal... Adrahil Jul 2017 #13

No I am saying progressives and left-liberals at DU were called 'neo-liberals' emulatorloo Jul 2017 #14

Thanks. LWolf Jul 2017 #37

Dunno if you were here in 2016, but it was self-described 'progressives' pushing the false divide emulatorloo Jul 2017 #39

I've been here since '02. LWolf Jul 2017 #43

"I'm spending the majority of my political time in the real world" suggested to me you maybe emulatorloo Jul 2017 #44

No. LWolf Jul 2017 #45

Thanks for a dose of reality. nt PufPuf23 Jul 2017 #17

Excellent post. Thank you. nt Doremus Jul 2017 #21

Good explanation. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #28

I think the reality is that LWolf Jul 2017 #38

then it doesn't apply to anyone to the left of Paul Ryan, and it's very puzzling why it geek tragedy Jul 2017 #16

Obama and Clinton both bought into the neo-liberal mindset......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #19

However... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #25

The PROC is NOT a model for Marxism........ socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #35

Is there any functioning model left? Was there ever any? yallerdawg Jul 2017 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Jul 2017 #31

Obama managed to be a Socialist Alinskyite geek tragedy Jul 2017 #33

I've never seen a real, card-carrying, dues paying socialist.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2017 #34

He was also a Muslim who had a Crazy Christian preacher at his church! emulatorloo Jul 2017 #40

+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #30

Well, since I'veh heard it applied to me and to other HRC voters... LisaM Jul 2017 #11

Not a meaningless label at all. You can pretend that it is but that's a surprising behavior Doremus Jul 2017 #23

Meaningless in that it has been misapplied one too many times in 2016 emulatorloo Jul 2017 #41

Totally. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #26

With Thomas Friedman, it's kind of deserved. HughBeaumont Jul 2017 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jul 2017 #5

In my experience, people who use the term "neo-liberal" don't actually know what it means. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #6

Yep Means in favor of trickle down economics and privatization. To people who use it, means emulatorloo Jul 2017 #9

I always think Libertarians ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #7

one of those words that mean whatever the person using it want it to mean, e.g. "corporatist" geek tragedy Jul 2017 #15

Slapping a stupid label on everything and everyone to discredit them is the height of intellectual Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #18

If "neoliberal" means fiscal conservative, social liberal, and pro free trade taught_me_patience Jul 2017 #20

What's a "fiscal conservative" and how does it jive with Democratic principles? nt Doremus Jul 2017 #24

A counter to the GOP principle of running up huge deficits while cutting taxes on rich people emulatorloo Jul 2017 #42

When I read neoliberal definition Dem2 Jul 2017 #22

I find those that use the term neoliberal Eko Jul 2017 #27

Neolution is the real danger tirebiter Jul 2017 #29

Neoliberal replaced Third Way as the popular mindless go-to insult 'cause it has more syllables betsuni Jul 2017 #32

Ms. Peyser put out a call to the wrong people. LWolf Jul 2017 #46