Can we give decent burial to the meme that Bernie Sanders didn't appeal to black voters.

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180. This thread is not about charter schools

You interjected charter schools as an excuse for your glib remarks about African Americans. It is not the issue of this OP, which talks about African American voters. You interjected it and are now seeking to use it to distract from your labeling an entire race of people as establishment. You are free to post a thread on the subject at anytime.

I also told you I agreed with you on the issues you listed, yet you couldn't abide that. You had to insult me, to proclaim yourself superior. You pretended in a prior post that progressive vs. establishment was determined by positions on a list of issues, only to then turn around and call me establishment despite my agreeing on those issues. You're so anxious to maintain a divide, you can't abide agreement. Whatever underlies your contempt for great swaths of the citizenry, it has noting to do with issues.

The fact is none of the issue positions you proposed is particularly controversial. It's all standard fare in mainstream--ESTABLISHMENT--political debates.

What sets you apart is your eagerness to label the poorest, most oppressed Americans as "establishment " and that they somehow owe you. We hear a lot in contemporary politics about how people of color and women have it too good, that white mean earning 7x the average income of African Americans isn't good enough for them. They feel owed, resentful that they have to compete in the work place (or political arena) based on competence and ideas, rather than falling back on being born into privilege.

I told you why it's unacceptable to categorize an entire race of people as "establishment." It's not only unreasonable, it's a lie--a BIG LIE. Whiteness and affluence are far more establishment than living under the kind of oppression that black people do. People who are stopped by police because of the color of their skin and even killed for that same reason are not the "establishment." They don't owe you or your favorite member of the political elite yet another vacation home. They don't owe your kids an Ivy League education while their children bleed in the streets.

SOME African Americans support charter schools because their kids go to the worst schools in America, and so-called progressives like you have no interested in doing a damn thing about that inequality because you benefit from it. Only it turns out you don't feel you benefit enough, so we see an elaborate justifications contrived to promote the further deepening of inequality to benefit those who already have more.

The debate over charter schools is very standard. There is nothing anti-establishment about it. A principled, leftist position would be to stand up against the chronically unequal K-12 educational system, and the way it punishes the poor and people of color by ensuring they stay poor. But then that would require actually holding leftist values of equality. You instead are focused on a rather sad effort to prove to yourself that you are somehow superior based on a label (the meaning of which you have changed completely in the span of two posts). No one confident in their own abilities or views needs to do that.

I'm not hearing a thing from you in terms of issue positions that doesn't sound very mainstream, establishment. Campaign treasurer is hardly the vanguard of a revolution.

To answer your question, yes, I have volunteered on campaigns of African Americans, among them my congressmen Keith Ellison and of course our last President, Barack Obama.

Why on earth would you think I would know about local Ohio school resolutions? It is really so difficult to understand that your community and your life is not the center of the entire universe?