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Nitram

(27,474 posts)
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 09:34 AM Jul 2017

No, Trump cant pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so. [View all]

I've excerpted what I think are the most important parts of authors' the argument below. Read the whole thing, It's short and powerfully reasoned.

Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.

The Justice Department was right that guidance could be found in the enduring principles that no one can be both the judge and the defendant in the same matter, and that no one is above the law.

The Constitution specifically bars the president from using the pardon power to prevent his own impeachment and removal. It adds that any official removed through impeachment remains fully subject to criminal prosecution. That provision would make no sense if the president could pardon himself.

Self-pardon under this rubric is impossible. The foundational case in the Anglo-American legal tradition is Thomas Bonham v. College of Physicians, commonly known as Dr. Bonham’s Case. In 1610, the Court of Common Pleas determined that the College of Physicians could not act as a court and a litigant in the same case. The college’s royal charter had given it the authority to punish individuals who practiced without a license. However, the court held that it was impermissible for the college to receive a fine that it had the power to inflict: “One cannot be Judge and attorney for any of the parties.”

The Constitution embodies this broad precept against self-dealing in its rule that congressional pay increases cannot take effect during the Congress that enacted them, in its prohibition against using official power to gain favors from foreign states and even in its provision that the chief justice, not the vice president, is to preside when the Senate conducts an impeachment trial of the president.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-trump-cant-pardon-himself-the-constitution-tells-us-so/2017/07/21/f3445d74-6e49-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.4519b526f727

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Jeez, what a blast from the past. "Dr. Bonham's Case" -- The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #1
sorry, I forgot to include the link. Nitram Jul 2017 #3
Is it possible to post the specific portion of the Constitution referenced by the original post? Not Ruth Jul 2017 #2
It doesn't supercede the constitution. It is one precedent in English Law upon which Nitram Jul 2017 #4
This, too. Nitram Jul 2017 #5
So Trump could pardon himself, but if he were impeached, that would negate the pardon? Not Ruth Jul 2017 #11
I would argue that he attempted to pardon himself LiberalFighter Jul 2017 #27
Esp. in this case. Igel Jul 2017 #7
It's hard to believe we are even discussing this... spiderpig Jul 2017 #6
Why? Igel Jul 2017 #8
It is a weak argument. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #9
Voltaire, do you mind if I ask in you have a background in law? Nitram Jul 2017 #10
Nope. Just another ignorant opinion. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #12
Join the club! Nitram Jul 2017 #13
Tribe, Painter and Eisen are some pretty heavy intellectual hitters The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #16
It seems weak to me for the reason stated. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #17
If you read the article carefully it makes a lot of sense. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #19
Agreed. Does this mean they have also found a prohibition against pardoning Cabinet officers or tritsofme Jul 2017 #18
I agree with Prof Tribe Gothmog Jul 2017 #14
The Supreme Court would find that the President can't pardon themself. The vote... PoliticAverse Jul 2017 #15
Doubtful, you can almost bank Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch tritsofme Jul 2017 #20
Even conservative judges are reluctant to give up power and authority. Nitram Jul 2017 #21
So if Nixon didn't resign and was removed, Ford couldn't have pardoned him? BzaDem Jul 2017 #22
Of course Ford could have pardoned Nixon if he'd been impeached and removed. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #23
I agree that Nixon could pardon Ford. I was using the question to dispute the logic in the OP. BzaDem Jul 2017 #29
The president can't pardon against impeachment NobodyHere Jul 2017 #24
I think he can pardon himself because well... Biden rule. tandem5 Jul 2017 #25
lol... SummerSnow Jul 2017 #26
Pardons don't protect from impeachment. Renew Deal Jul 2017 #28
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