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148. Some may not outright be calling it bogus

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:33 AM

Jul 2017

but I'm hearing some sentiment out there that it's a "distraction" from other things that Trump/GOP are doing and that we shouldn't be focusing so much on it. Of course, if a foreign power meddled in our election process with the help of one of the major party candidates and/or his campaign associates, it is a legitimate concern/problem and SHOULD be investigated and we can all focus on more than one issue at a time. I'm not entirely confident that it's going to get Trump removed from office or if that anybody replacing him would be much of an improvement but if Hillary's e-mail server demanded an FBI investigation and Congressional attention, this surely does. And Republicans would be demanding her head if Hillary and/or associates potentially colluded with another country to help win an election. We know that for sure.

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Is it true that "So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus"? [View all] Akamai Jul 2017 OP

Hell NO! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #1

Not many, but The Nation comes to mind. Sneederbunk Jul 2017 #2

Yes, the Nation editors have been Putin apologists for years. RelativelyJones Jul 2017 #78

Green Candidate Stein JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #3

I seriously question if there is anything "left" with Stein and her followers. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2017 #4

That was a prominent position defacto7 Jul 2017 #5

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #101

The person you're addressing may not even be here now, Hortensis Jul 2017 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #119

Think so. But keep looking. We're a big community, Hortensis Jul 2017 #120

Thanks for the article.. defacto7 Jul 2017 #111

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #121

I sure never saw it. broadcaster90210 Jul 2017 #6

Well, I'm not sure they were really "on the left" MineralMan Jul 2017 #7

I think it came from our own "alt-left"...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #12

What the hell is alt-left? And do they represent Akamai Jul 2017 #15

Alleged "progressives" who promote alt-right talking points and alt-right CT emulatorloo Jul 2017 #86

Go to the JPR website Gothmog Jul 2017 #8

Who the hell wants to go to BS websites? I want crazy stuff, I can turn on FOX. Akamai Jul 2017 #23

The idiots on JPR website claim to be from the left but are clearly putin lovers Gothmog Jul 2017 #27

Putin is a repressive dictator MountCleaners Jul 2017 #64

Go read the JPR site Gothmog Jul 2017 #136

That BS website you dismiss as irrelevant was created by DUers. bettyellen Jul 2017 #45

who gives a hoot? You spend time over there? I have never. The claim made was not Akamai Jul 2017 #53

That's your opinion. Others disagree. yardwork Jul 2017 #54

I do. Because they basically ran this place before being given the ultimatum to stop trashing our bettyellen Jul 2017 #60

Wow -- people sure get angry sometimes when they're accusations are nonsense! Akamai Jul 2017 #92

You ignored the majority of answers people gave you and pretend no one replied. You're full of it... bettyellen Jul 2017 #94

I am also amused and agree with your analysis Gothmog Jul 2017 #139

I think you are full of warm to hot air. You are guilty of Akamai Jul 2017 #140

So you're sticking w "no, you are!!" More content free blathering on. bettyellen Jul 2017 #151

The idiots on JPR claim to be the left Gothmog Jul 2017 #138

The DUers who left to form that site hated Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party Gothmog Jul 2017 #137

I love the moving of the goal posts BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #155

And saying he got two examples when it was 7-8, what a bunko artist bettyellen Jul 2017 #159

I don't let them define "The Left" but if you take their word for it that's the answer you'll get Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #125

I do not consider the idiots on JPR to be democrats or necessarily liberals Gothmog Jul 2017 #135

Fair enough Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #142

Many have disputed and downplayed it. Seems mostly related to Clinton hate. bettyellen Jul 2017 #9

Bettyellen -- I have not seen it from liberals and lefties or Akamai Jul 2017 #11

I'm surprised you're still asking after getting so many sources bettyellen Jul 2017 #16

I guess my eyes stay broken. But what names were given? Akamai Jul 2017 #18

Your assertation should be ignored now that you've had 5-6 replies you've chosen to ignore. bettyellen Jul 2017 #21

Two names given --The Nation and Jill Stein. Neither of them are lefty speakers. Akamai Jul 2017 #22

Seven names of groups and individuals were given, not two. Fairly dishonest claim bettyellen Jul 2017 #24

diaphonous mitch96 Jul 2017 #129

I wasn't sure I spelled it correctly. I take after Mark Twain who said, "If you can think of only Akamai Jul 2017 #130

It is. You're being sealioned. yardwork Jul 2017 #26

Somehow they missed seeing 5/7 answers they were "looking for" so yeah I don't buy it..... bettyellen Jul 2017 #30

Oops! The term is sealioning. I'll correct. yardwork Jul 2017 #36

We're also being gaslighted. Told something we know happened "never happened" emulatorloo Jul 2017 #81

Here's the original cartoon... sweetloukillbot Jul 2017 #116

Exactly! yardwork Jul 2017 #127

Very cute! Akamai Jul 2017 #131

Van Jones perhaps? Nina Turner? Chevy Jul 2017 #52

I didn't hear that Van Jones or Turner said there was no Russian involvement. Akamai Jul 2017 #55

Then you haven't been paying attention Chevy Jul 2017 #61

You didn't see the other 5-6 people listed for you either. What's going on that you don't see what's bettyellen Jul 2017 #95

You seem point out fewer than 10 people of the hundreds and thousands of lefty activists, Akamai Jul 2017 #115

Each one of them has thousands of people propping them up and spreading their message .... bettyellen Jul 2017 #118

Um, it's not coming from liberals, it is coming from the denizens of JPR, Ninsianna Jul 2017 #132

I see it all the time and everywhere on the internet. m-lekktor Jul 2017 #110

I think two things get conflated in these types of discussions aikoaiko Jul 2017 #10

How does this go to the claim that many lefties doubted that Akamai Jul 2017 #13

I edited my post a bit to make it clearer, I hope. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #17

Your wording is unclear and again the assertion made Akamai Jul 2017 #20

I'm saying that not many lefties doubted Russian involvement aikoaiko Jul 2017 #51

Well, the claim is that "many on the left", and sometimes, probably, their words are Akamai Jul 2017 #65

When the loss is razor thin, anything could have tipped it. bettyellen Jul 2017 #98

+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #14

I think when you look at analysis of the coverage and see that email was number one it's bettyellen Jul 2017 #19

The charge made was: "So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus." Akamai Jul 2017 #29

You missed 5 out of the 7 listed so perhaps read more carefully? Or don't. Really couldn't care less bettyellen Jul 2017 #32

Yes it was much more than DNC emails. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #63

It was more than the emails Egnever Jul 2017 #33

Yes! peggysue2 Jul 2017 #43

The Russians funded Cambridge Analytica to pinpoint propaganda. yardwork Jul 2017 #48

Well I can't argue against anecdotal evidence. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #59

At this point all we have is the choice of whether or not to pursue leads. yardwork Jul 2017 #72

I agee. Russians interference or attempts to interfere aikoaiko Jul 2017 #88

I'm in strong agreement. yardwork Jul 2017 #103

I saw and am seeing it with my own eyes, so yes. yardwork Jul 2017 #25

Where are you seeing it? Here on DU? Huffpo? MSNBC? where? Akamai Jul 2017 #31

You have names of prominent lefties who are saying Russia was not involved? Akamai Jul 2017 #38

You're talking to yourself. Interesting. yardwork Jul 2017 #41

Well, you know one thought leads on to another. Or do you have one thought and turn off your brain? Akamai Jul 2017 #93

All those places and more. yardwork Jul 2017 #40

to get at the truth. Seems to me your yard needs your shovel. Any specifics? Course not. Akamai Jul 2017 #46

Textbook. /nt yardwork Jul 2017 #50

I see people denying Russian involvement, and others denying people are saying that! LOL. Twisted. bettyellen Jul 2017 #35

Ding ding ding ding YCHDT Jul 2017 #39

The claim was: "So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus". Akamai Jul 2017 #47

You've only seen 2 out of the 7-8 listed so you're doing a real shit job of "finding out" bettyellen Jul 2017 #49

I haven't seen it. demmiblue Jul 2017 #28

Me too. No unicorns here, far as I can tell. Of course there might be bots or others trying to Akamai Jul 2017 #34

I have ... Plenty of blaming DNC and Clinton vs Russia and voter suppression YCHDT Jul 2017 #42

YES!!! BY PLACING ONUS OF BLAMING CLINTON AND DNC !!!! YCHDT Jul 2017 #37

the election was sure stolen from Clinton -- doubt about that. With Comey, Russian interference, a Akamai Jul 2017 #44

Jill Stein...if you consider her a lefty Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #57

She is an opportunist who let Hillary lose. She's no lefty, I think Akamai Jul 2017 #68

That's why I used the qualifier "if you consider her left" Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #69

Exactly. peggysue2 Jul 2017 #67

Well said. yardwork Jul 2017 #75

Jill Stein and Katrina van der Heuvel's (The Nation) husband Stephen Cohen. MBS Jul 2017 #56

I don't know the reasoning of Katrina, her husband, Cohn, or Greenwald. But the following might be Akamai Jul 2017 #66

Jill Stein workinclasszero Jul 2017 #58

I believe that there are policy disagreements on how US should relate to the Russian state. David__77 Jul 2017 #62

And I strongly disagree with you about that. yardwork Jul 2017 #74

I think that there are two issues here. David__77 Jul 2017 #85

"So many" rock Jul 2017 #70

Yup! that is my belief, unless there are facts proving otherwise. Akamai Jul 2017 #89

It's Glenn Greenwald's entire industry Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #71

Thank you. yardwork Jul 2017 #73

"Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson Unite to Dismiss Russian Hacking Allegations" emulatorloo Jul 2017 #82

Yep. Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #84

Well you can tell Tucker is lying - his lips are moving. And Greewald -- I don't know much about Akamai Jul 2017 #90

Can I go through the list GaryCnf Jul 2017 #76

Great posting! it doesn't constitute "so many on the left" especially knocking off the first three Akamai Jul 2017 #91

Seems like you've decided that the very act of denying Russian interference KitSileya Jul 2017 #146

What I am saying is that of the lefty leaders I am aware of, very, very few deny Russian involvement Akamai Jul 2017 #147

Moving the goalposts of the original premise from "not so many lefties" to "not so many leaders" LanternWaste Jul 2017 #153

No changing the goal posts -- just a little careless in not citing the phrase "so many lefties" -- Akamai Jul 2017 #157

The problem is they're all self describing themselves as "true lefties" even accusing bettyellen Jul 2017 #96

Absolutely for those on this list GaryCnf Jul 2017 #99

A lot of people are invested in making HRC look as bad as possible ... bettyellen Jul 2017 #106

That cannot be denied either GaryCnf Jul 2017 #113

My observation is that many, many ordinary people have convinced to ignore Russian interference. yardwork Jul 2017 #100

Yes, there was a narrative going in MSM for a while that the whole Russian business is a distraction JHan Jul 2017 #77

Try Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept. That's one example. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #79

The same Intercept NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #149

I just think we need to call him drumpf more. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #80

In the words of Dan Aykroyd in Spies Like Us XRubicon Jul 2017 #87

It has looked like fake news to me from day one. hedda_foil Jul 2017 #97

I don't know if you're trying to wind me up, or if your google game is that weak Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #102

+1000! mcar Jul 2017 #123

those were social media t(R)olls wearing a blue coat. typical Republican lie to make a fake story. Sunlei Jul 2017 #104

I remember asking if it was possible that Groper Don the Con was planning to steal the election malaise Jul 2017 #105

whoever said that has his/her left and right confused Warpy Jul 2017 #107

Yup, yup, yup, yup! My reason for posting this title was that earlier today someone on DU Akamai Jul 2017 #117

Yes. NYT article before election "No Russia ties seen" sharedvalues Jul 2017 #108

Leftist opinion writers on Counterpunch and Consortium News, for example, are skeptical. m-lekktor Jul 2017 #109

Oh I am sure there is a " Russia " story but not what we are being told at this time Kathy M Jul 2017 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #122

Many were begging Putin's tool, Assange, please please release release soon!!! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #124

Not only no, but fuck no. onecaliberal Jul 2017 #126

Amen! Amen! Absolutely!! Akamai Jul 2017 #141

Individuals I know Prev. Sanders Stein voters . They are not major VIPs but it's the same lines lunasun Jul 2017 #128

Yes, it is true. "Key Democrats: don't expect evidence of TrumpRussia collusion" sharedvalues Jul 2017 #133

Yes. There are videos...oh Lordy, are there videos! nikibatts Jul 2017 #134

Abject blindness to that which doesn't conform our biases is human nature LanternWaste Jul 2017 #143

There were many allegations against those prosecuted in the Akamai Jul 2017 #144

In terms of examples of confirmation bias, the story of n-rays is pretty instructive and interesting Akamai Jul 2017 #145

I can only conclude your bias outweighs critical though on this topic. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #150

The reason I mentioned the Salem Witch trials does not go to the Akamai Jul 2017 #160

Some may not outright be calling it bogus Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #148

I do believe that if we focus 100% on Russia, many more bad things will get done Akamai Jul 2017 #158

My take is that a group of whiners, who are sort of populist, have hijacked the term 'far left.' CrispyQ Jul 2017 #152

Depends what you mean by "so many". DanTex Jul 2017 #154

Russia-love is like a recurring virus among some of us on the left delisen Jul 2017 #156

Some denial about Russia on today's greatest page on JPR Gothmog Jul 2017 #161