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Akamai

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160. The reason I mentioned the Salem Witch trials does not go to the

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:58 PM

Jul 2017

motivation of those persecuting the "withes" but rather the ease at which accusations can be contagious, especially if we deny the importance of evidence.

"Look! Look! She's a witch!" And all too often in countries around the world people are dead, or harmed.

Very easy to lay out a belief and then ask, "Don't you agree with me on this? And if you don't agree, you're ignorant and a terrible person." And by your logic, you don't need proof but the belief by a group of believers that there might be truth, or at least it's somewhat plausible.

Blue Lies refer to statements that the inner core of believers know are false but the believers state them anyway to support group cohesion, to makes progress to some end. An example of this is the lie that Obama was born outside the US.

A milder form of it was the statement "so many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus." I think most of the people in support of that position are aware how weak it is.

As for sealioning, tell me things on important matters that I believe are untrue, and I will respond.

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Is it true that "So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus"? [View all] Akamai Jul 2017 OP

Hell NO! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #1

Not many, but The Nation comes to mind. Sneederbunk Jul 2017 #2

Yes, the Nation editors have been Putin apologists for years. RelativelyJones Jul 2017 #78

Green Candidate Stein JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #3

I seriously question if there is anything "left" with Stein and her followers. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2017 #4

That was a prominent position defacto7 Jul 2017 #5

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The person you're addressing may not even be here now, Hortensis Jul 2017 #114

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Think so. But keep looking. We're a big community, Hortensis Jul 2017 #120

Thanks for the article.. defacto7 Jul 2017 #111

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I sure never saw it. broadcaster90210 Jul 2017 #6

Well, I'm not sure they were really "on the left" MineralMan Jul 2017 #7

I think it came from our own "alt-left"...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #12

What the hell is alt-left? And do they represent Akamai Jul 2017 #15

Alleged "progressives" who promote alt-right talking points and alt-right CT emulatorloo Jul 2017 #86

Go to the JPR website Gothmog Jul 2017 #8

Who the hell wants to go to BS websites? I want crazy stuff, I can turn on FOX. Akamai Jul 2017 #23

The idiots on JPR website claim to be from the left but are clearly putin lovers Gothmog Jul 2017 #27

Putin is a repressive dictator MountCleaners Jul 2017 #64

Go read the JPR site Gothmog Jul 2017 #136

That BS website you dismiss as irrelevant was created by DUers. bettyellen Jul 2017 #45

who gives a hoot? You spend time over there? I have never. The claim made was not Akamai Jul 2017 #53

That's your opinion. Others disagree. yardwork Jul 2017 #54

I do. Because they basically ran this place before being given the ultimatum to stop trashing our bettyellen Jul 2017 #60

Wow -- people sure get angry sometimes when they're accusations are nonsense! Akamai Jul 2017 #92

You ignored the majority of answers people gave you and pretend no one replied. You're full of it... bettyellen Jul 2017 #94

I am also amused and agree with your analysis Gothmog Jul 2017 #139

I think you are full of warm to hot air. You are guilty of Akamai Jul 2017 #140

So you're sticking w "no, you are!!" More content free blathering on. bettyellen Jul 2017 #151

The idiots on JPR claim to be the left Gothmog Jul 2017 #138

The DUers who left to form that site hated Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party Gothmog Jul 2017 #137

I love the moving of the goal posts BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #155

And saying he got two examples when it was 7-8, what a bunko artist bettyellen Jul 2017 #159

I don't let them define "The Left" but if you take their word for it that's the answer you'll get Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #125

I do not consider the idiots on JPR to be democrats or necessarily liberals Gothmog Jul 2017 #135

Fair enough Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #142

Many have disputed and downplayed it. Seems mostly related to Clinton hate. bettyellen Jul 2017 #9

Bettyellen -- I have not seen it from liberals and lefties or Akamai Jul 2017 #11

I'm surprised you're still asking after getting so many sources bettyellen Jul 2017 #16

I guess my eyes stay broken. But what names were given? Akamai Jul 2017 #18

Your assertation should be ignored now that you've had 5-6 replies you've chosen to ignore. bettyellen Jul 2017 #21

Two names given --The Nation and Jill Stein. Neither of them are lefty speakers. Akamai Jul 2017 #22

Seven names of groups and individuals were given, not two. Fairly dishonest claim bettyellen Jul 2017 #24

diaphonous mitch96 Jul 2017 #129

I wasn't sure I spelled it correctly. I take after Mark Twain who said, "If you can think of only Akamai Jul 2017 #130

It is. You're being sealioned. yardwork Jul 2017 #26

Somehow they missed seeing 5/7 answers they were "looking for" so yeah I don't buy it..... bettyellen Jul 2017 #30

Oops! The term is sealioning. I'll correct. yardwork Jul 2017 #36

We're also being gaslighted. Told something we know happened "never happened" emulatorloo Jul 2017 #81

Here's the original cartoon... sweetloukillbot Jul 2017 #116

Exactly! yardwork Jul 2017 #127

Very cute! Akamai Jul 2017 #131

Van Jones perhaps? Nina Turner? Chevy Jul 2017 #52

I didn't hear that Van Jones or Turner said there was no Russian involvement. Akamai Jul 2017 #55

Then you haven't been paying attention Chevy Jul 2017 #61

You didn't see the other 5-6 people listed for you either. What's going on that you don't see what's bettyellen Jul 2017 #95

You seem point out fewer than 10 people of the hundreds and thousands of lefty activists, Akamai Jul 2017 #115

Each one of them has thousands of people propping them up and spreading their message .... bettyellen Jul 2017 #118

Um, it's not coming from liberals, it is coming from the denizens of JPR, Ninsianna Jul 2017 #132

I see it all the time and everywhere on the internet. m-lekktor Jul 2017 #110

I think two things get conflated in these types of discussions aikoaiko Jul 2017 #10

How does this go to the claim that many lefties doubted that Akamai Jul 2017 #13

I edited my post a bit to make it clearer, I hope. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #17

Your wording is unclear and again the assertion made Akamai Jul 2017 #20

I'm saying that not many lefties doubted Russian involvement aikoaiko Jul 2017 #51

Well, the claim is that "many on the left", and sometimes, probably, their words are Akamai Jul 2017 #65

When the loss is razor thin, anything could have tipped it. bettyellen Jul 2017 #98

+1 leftstreet Jul 2017 #14

I think when you look at analysis of the coverage and see that email was number one it's bettyellen Jul 2017 #19

The charge made was: "So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus." Akamai Jul 2017 #29

You missed 5 out of the 7 listed so perhaps read more carefully? Or don't. Really couldn't care less bettyellen Jul 2017 #32

Yes it was much more than DNC emails. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #63

It was more than the emails Egnever Jul 2017 #33

Yes! peggysue2 Jul 2017 #43

The Russians funded Cambridge Analytica to pinpoint propaganda. yardwork Jul 2017 #48

Well I can't argue against anecdotal evidence. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #59

At this point all we have is the choice of whether or not to pursue leads. yardwork Jul 2017 #72

I agee. Russians interference or attempts to interfere aikoaiko Jul 2017 #88

I'm in strong agreement. yardwork Jul 2017 #103

I saw and am seeing it with my own eyes, so yes. yardwork Jul 2017 #25

Where are you seeing it? Here on DU? Huffpo? MSNBC? where? Akamai Jul 2017 #31

You have names of prominent lefties who are saying Russia was not involved? Akamai Jul 2017 #38

You're talking to yourself. Interesting. yardwork Jul 2017 #41

Well, you know one thought leads on to another. Or do you have one thought and turn off your brain? Akamai Jul 2017 #93

All those places and more. yardwork Jul 2017 #40

to get at the truth. Seems to me your yard needs your shovel. Any specifics? Course not. Akamai Jul 2017 #46

Textbook. /nt yardwork Jul 2017 #50

I see people denying Russian involvement, and others denying people are saying that! LOL. Twisted. bettyellen Jul 2017 #35

Ding ding ding ding YCHDT Jul 2017 #39

The claim was: "So many on the left tried to convince us that this Russia story was bogus". Akamai Jul 2017 #47

You've only seen 2 out of the 7-8 listed so you're doing a real shit job of "finding out" bettyellen Jul 2017 #49

I haven't seen it. demmiblue Jul 2017 #28

Me too. No unicorns here, far as I can tell. Of course there might be bots or others trying to Akamai Jul 2017 #34

I have ... Plenty of blaming DNC and Clinton vs Russia and voter suppression YCHDT Jul 2017 #42

YES!!! BY PLACING ONUS OF BLAMING CLINTON AND DNC !!!! YCHDT Jul 2017 #37

the election was sure stolen from Clinton -- doubt about that. With Comey, Russian interference, a Akamai Jul 2017 #44

Jill Stein...if you consider her a lefty Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #57

She is an opportunist who let Hillary lose. She's no lefty, I think Akamai Jul 2017 #68

That's why I used the qualifier "if you consider her left" Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #69

Exactly. peggysue2 Jul 2017 #67

Well said. yardwork Jul 2017 #75

Jill Stein and Katrina van der Heuvel's (The Nation) husband Stephen Cohen. MBS Jul 2017 #56

I don't know the reasoning of Katrina, her husband, Cohn, or Greenwald. But the following might be Akamai Jul 2017 #66

Jill Stein workinclasszero Jul 2017 #58

I believe that there are policy disagreements on how US should relate to the Russian state. David__77 Jul 2017 #62

And I strongly disagree with you about that. yardwork Jul 2017 #74

I think that there are two issues here. David__77 Jul 2017 #85

"So many" rock Jul 2017 #70

Yup! that is my belief, unless there are facts proving otherwise. Akamai Jul 2017 #89

It's Glenn Greenwald's entire industry Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #71

Thank you. yardwork Jul 2017 #73

"Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson Unite to Dismiss Russian Hacking Allegations" emulatorloo Jul 2017 #82

Yep. Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #84

Well you can tell Tucker is lying - his lips are moving. And Greewald -- I don't know much about Akamai Jul 2017 #90

Can I go through the list GaryCnf Jul 2017 #76

Great posting! it doesn't constitute "so many on the left" especially knocking off the first three Akamai Jul 2017 #91

Seems like you've decided that the very act of denying Russian interference KitSileya Jul 2017 #146

What I am saying is that of the lefty leaders I am aware of, very, very few deny Russian involvement Akamai Jul 2017 #147

Moving the goalposts of the original premise from "not so many lefties" to "not so many leaders" LanternWaste Jul 2017 #153

No changing the goal posts -- just a little careless in not citing the phrase "so many lefties" -- Akamai Jul 2017 #157

The problem is they're all self describing themselves as "true lefties" even accusing bettyellen Jul 2017 #96

Absolutely for those on this list GaryCnf Jul 2017 #99

A lot of people are invested in making HRC look as bad as possible ... bettyellen Jul 2017 #106

That cannot be denied either GaryCnf Jul 2017 #113

My observation is that many, many ordinary people have convinced to ignore Russian interference. yardwork Jul 2017 #100

Yes, there was a narrative going in MSM for a while that the whole Russian business is a distraction JHan Jul 2017 #77

Try Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept. That's one example. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #79

The same Intercept NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #149

I just think we need to call him drumpf more. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #80

In the words of Dan Aykroyd in Spies Like Us XRubicon Jul 2017 #87

It has looked like fake news to me from day one. hedda_foil Jul 2017 #97

I don't know if you're trying to wind me up, or if your google game is that weak Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #102

+1000! mcar Jul 2017 #123

those were social media t(R)olls wearing a blue coat. typical Republican lie to make a fake story. Sunlei Jul 2017 #104

I remember asking if it was possible that Groper Don the Con was planning to steal the election malaise Jul 2017 #105

whoever said that has his/her left and right confused Warpy Jul 2017 #107

Yup, yup, yup, yup! My reason for posting this title was that earlier today someone on DU Akamai Jul 2017 #117

Yes. NYT article before election "No Russia ties seen" sharedvalues Jul 2017 #108

Leftist opinion writers on Counterpunch and Consortium News, for example, are skeptical. m-lekktor Jul 2017 #109

Oh I am sure there is a " Russia " story but not what we are being told at this time Kathy M Jul 2017 #112

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #122

Many were begging Putin's tool, Assange, please please release release soon!!! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #124

Not only no, but fuck no. onecaliberal Jul 2017 #126

Amen! Amen! Absolutely!! Akamai Jul 2017 #141

Individuals I know Prev. Sanders Stein voters . They are not major VIPs but it's the same lines lunasun Jul 2017 #128

Yes, it is true. "Key Democrats: don't expect evidence of TrumpRussia collusion" sharedvalues Jul 2017 #133

Yes. There are videos...oh Lordy, are there videos! nikibatts Jul 2017 #134

Abject blindness to that which doesn't conform our biases is human nature LanternWaste Jul 2017 #143

There were many allegations against those prosecuted in the Akamai Jul 2017 #144

In terms of examples of confirmation bias, the story of n-rays is pretty instructive and interesting Akamai Jul 2017 #145

I can only conclude your bias outweighs critical though on this topic. LanternWaste Jul 2017 #150

The reason I mentioned the Salem Witch trials does not go to the Akamai Jul 2017 #160

Some may not outright be calling it bogus Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #148

I do believe that if we focus 100% on Russia, many more bad things will get done Akamai Jul 2017 #158

My take is that a group of whiners, who are sort of populist, have hijacked the term 'far left.' CrispyQ Jul 2017 #152

Depends what you mean by "so many". DanTex Jul 2017 #154

Russia-love is like a recurring virus among some of us on the left delisen Jul 2017 #156

Some denial about Russia on today's greatest page on JPR Gothmog Jul 2017 #161