Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Chuck Shumer needs to stop attacking the woman who won 3M more votes. [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)82. No one has answered you, because righteous indignation is more fun than facts
Unless there's some Schumer statement that I haven't seen, here's what happened:
Some Democratic leaders decided that, along with "We're not Trump," it would be useful for the party to have a short statement of positive goals. (This is hardly a controversial idea.) The Washington Post wrote about the plan in this story: "Trump had The Art of the Deal. Now Democrats say their economic agenda is A Better Deal." The Post's reporting included this passage:
The rollout comes as Democrats continue to struggle to sell a coherent message to voters. In a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, 37 percent of Americans said that the party currently stands for something, while 52 percent said it just stands against Trump. The same poll found that Trumps overall approval rating has deteriorated to 36 percent making him the most unpopular president of the modern era at this point in his presidency.
Those findings resonate with party leaders who are still stunned by Trumps come-from-behind victory last year.
When you lose to somebody who has 40 percent popularity, you dont blame other things Comey, Russia you blame yourself, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in an interview previewing the new plan. So what did we do wrong? People didnt know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) agreed, explaining in a separate interview that the new focus is not a course correction, but its a presentation correction.
Those findings resonate with party leaders who are still stunned by Trumps come-from-behind victory last year.
When you lose to somebody who has 40 percent popularity, you dont blame other things Comey, Russia you blame yourself, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in an interview previewing the new plan. So what did we do wrong? People didnt know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) agreed, explaining in a separate interview that the new focus is not a course correction, but its a presentation correction.
You'll note that Schumer didn't even mention Clinton. You'll note further that he identified the issue as "what did we do wrong" (emphasis added).
Slate, however, decided that a misleading let's-you-and-her-fight headline might get some clicks, and reported this development as "Schumer Takes Aim at Clinton: Dont Blame Russia or Comey, 'Blame Yourself'".
Pretty clever, huh? The verbatim quotation from Schumer is juxtaposed with something he didn't say to give a totally false impression.
As reprehensible as that is, however, the DU community isn't without its own issues when it comes to intellectual integrity. When the Slate piece became the subject of this thread, it was quickly pointed out -- beginning with uponit7771 just 17 minutes later and reiterated by others -- that Schumer hadn't said it and that the whole thing was a hit piece by Slate. Unfortunately, the thread we're now in went roaring off in total disregard of the truth. Apparently, getting to denounce misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton is too juicy a chance to pass up, and facts be damned.
There actually has been plenty of misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton, but, to paraphrase Paul Samuelson, DU posts have denounced nine of the last five such instances.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
82 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Chuck Shumer needs to stop attacking the woman who won 3M more votes. [View all]
boston bean
Jul 2017
OP
Exactly!!! The democrats do not stick together and democratic messaging sucks. The
RKP5637
Jul 2017
#55
Yeah, so what we are suppose to believe some lie it had no impact??? When it did??
boston bean
Jul 2017
#8
He did really!? I haven't seen it yet. I will have to check his twitter feed. I dread doing that!
boston bean
Jul 2017
#9
I also recall plenty of criticism of Gore and Kerry following the 2000 and 2004 elections
loyalsister
Jul 2017
#22
That isn't Schumer saying something, that's a reporter making assumptions. Suprised you'd go with
seaglass
Jul 2017
#32
You can throw in that the same Schumer/Clinton people were behind two other relatively nasty attacks
karynnj
Jul 2017
#42
Agree and would add that more than any other loss on either side, it was a shock
karynnj
Jul 2017
#60
Democrats' best political hope is not to attack other Democrats... Love to Schumer, Clinton, Pelosi!
FreepFryer
Jul 2017
#15
you are absolutely right. President Obama and Hillary deserve an apology from the American people
still_one
Jul 2017
#21
Not sure what Schumer said, but Hillary has nothing to apologize for. The double standard, false
still_one
Jul 2017
#18
Comey's actions were not just wrong, they were illegitimate. What happened in the final days
StevieM
Jul 2017
#31
I don't blame Obama for Comey's criminal behavior but appointing him as FBI director was the worst
StevieM
Jul 2017
#25
I would really like to know what purpose Schumer's comments served. He has pissed off a lot of
seaglass
Jul 2017
#35
and the russians, and voter suppression, had absolutely NOTHING to do with it, yes?????
niyad
Jul 2017
#47
i didnt watch her speech... i was too sad for myself but sad especially for her...
samnsara
Jul 2017
#45
unfortunately, misogyny is an ugly concept not strictly limited to the reichwingnuts.
niyad
Jul 2017
#46
Looks like Chuck Shumer wants more republican wins. Tearing at your own party is not very
RKP5637
Jul 2017
#52
the dems can not be women haters!! We make up more voters than any other group.
trueblue2007
Jul 2017
#53
Chuck Schumer endorses Hillary Clinton for president: If you run, youll win (11-3-13)
Omaha Steve
Jul 2017
#59