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JHan

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50. A poll which over sampled under educated white independent males has hillary clinton unpopular?

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 01:53 AM

Jul 2017

well stop the presses, I'm shocked.

And this is some how a sign that Hillary Clinton should be treated like a leper in the Democratic Party?

"It doesn't really matter in the world of politics" - If our female Democratic politicians are targets of propaganda it matters. It also mattered that America Rising Superpac targeted Clinton way back in 2015 and some on the left fell for their machinations, worse yet we had no response for it. Not only did we have no response for it, America's sexism was exposed in the way "establishment" was hung round Clinton's neck, a woman who has been a liberal reformer as a public servant, like an albatross by progressives and liberals, conservatives and republicans alike. It matters because Ratfucking is bad, ratfucking diminishes our leaders and their accomplishments and no Democrat should fall in that trap.

Warren and Harris will be targeted - Harris less so because she has less of a record to demonize her with which is crazy..

Public Policy Polling: Another poll which oversamples certain demographics, is revealing as well:

Voters wish that either Barack Obama (53/40) or Hillary Clinton (49/42) was President instead of Trump. Trump loses by wide margins in hypothetical matches against Joe Biden (54/39) or Bernie Sanders (52/39) for reelection. Trump loses 12-13% of the folks who voted for him last fall to either Biden or Sanders. Trump also trails in hypothetical contests against Elizabeth Warren (49/42), Cory Booker (45/40), and Kamala Harris (41/40). The one Democrat Trump manages a tie against is Mark Zuckerberg, at 40/40. Zuckerberg is actually not a particularly well known figure nationally- 47% of voters say they have no opinion about him to 24% with a positive one and 29% with a negative one.

So miss me with the newest hot take that HRC should be persona non grata.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/07/health-care-a-mine-field-for-republicans-many-trump-voters-in-denial-on-russia.html

EDIT: I'm all for moving on from last year, that'll be great. But I won't throw a dedicated Democrat under the bus to do so....

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Very simple explanation for why Schumer and other Dems are distancing themselves from Hillary [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2017 OP

So almost as soon as she started running she goes down? Ligyron Jul 2017 #1

and she's not getting viewed more positively now because the entire country geek tragedy Jul 2017 #3

Some may never "get over it"... Agschmid Jul 2017 #43

Correct...it's just possible Schumer and the Dems aren't being stupid here BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #2

Schumer takes shots at her and then complains that she's wounded. pnwmom Jul 2017 #7

They've obviously concluded that they need to distance themselves from Hillary BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #13

Well, it's not because of honesty and integrity. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #44

one also needs to remember that despite winning (by cheating) onetexan Jul 2017 #62

The strategy is asinine at best it doesn't change facts to "distance" themselves from HRC ... Scumer uponit7771 Jul 2017 #4

The base isn't going to stay home in 2018 because geek tragedy Jul 2017 #9

Get a kick out of your use of corporate term "rebrand" delisen Jul 2017 #61

Is it innacurate? Baconator Jul 2017 #104

And when people like Schumer publicly blame her, that increases negative publicity against her, pnwmom Jul 2017 #5

So? Nevernose Jul 2017 #19

But it has an effect on all women. KitSileya Jul 2017 #28

Yeah that misogyny isn't going anywhere, even when a woman wins. Agschmid Jul 2017 #46

Maybe its time to stop using her as a stand-in for the achievements and advancement of all women Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #66

OFFS, all women in public are treated heinously. KitSileya Jul 2017 #68

+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #70

I do remember a couple months ago, when Warren aligned herself w/Sanders, and people here lost it Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #72

"GOP congressman blames health care struggles on lapucelle Jul 2017 #82

So people are blaming her for the lower popularity numbers that they helped to bring about. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #42

What Schumer did was unnecessary. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #6

he helped publicly distance the party from an historically unpopular presidential candidate. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #11

"he helped publicly distance the party from an historically unpopular presidential candidate." NCTraveler Jul 2017 #21

that you disagree with something does not make it 'deceptive' nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #30

Point not in contention. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #33

you obviously did. you pretty much accused me of lying. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #34

According to whom? Baconator Jul 2017 #105

So Trump is going to be helping a Dems somehow? What? bettyellen Jul 2017 #26

Exactly. It's deceptive not to acknowledge the aggressive smears against her R B Garr Jul 2017 #40

Oh for fucks sake. What a bunch of fucking Theon Greyjoys. LuvLoogie Jul 2017 #8

Should we be Ned Starks instead? nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #12

I'd rather die with honor and my principles intact Blue_Adept Jul 2017 #14

Good thing those are not the only two choices. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #15

What happened when alot of the Democratic candidates kacekwl Jul 2017 #84

Clinton is not our candidate anymore. She is not the President. She is a private citizen. nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #93

Come on , she was our candidate kacekwl Jul 2017 #106

No. It's stupid and I don't get it. kcr Jul 2017 #10

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #23

I agree, too! bdjhawk Jul 2017 #27

Yeah, there was totally no infighting in the GOP primary in 2016. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #36

+10000 treestar Jul 2017 #77

Why say anything then? nini Jul 2017 #16

he didn't mention her name. it's just being assumed nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #17

I hope the Democratic Party get the red out Jul 2017 #18

duh it's why its called Populism-vote popularity not competency delisen Jul 2017 #20

And Trump used his ass ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #22

Democratic party's weakness don't need revealing--already in plain view for those who would look geek tragedy Jul 2017 #31

Well yeah, because we keep doing shit like this ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #39

I think there's a big difference between piling on her for bullshit or rw talking points geek tragedy Jul 2017 #45

Well see I see every criticism tainted with misogyny ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #47

Focus on the speeches was politics--it was spectacularly tone deaf to geek tragedy Jul 2017 #49

Dems should be finding new candidates not litigating old losses. As valuable as Hillary is she's out mulsh Jul 2017 #24

I agree, they want to move ahead and Hillary is the past. jalan48 Jul 2017 #25

Since Trump won't let Hillary go, it's really the only choice leftstreet Jul 2017 #29

It really does seem like people on here.... vi5 Jul 2017 #32

That seems like an extreme misperception and makes me mistrust your opinion. Why don't you create seaglass Jul 2017 #48

They can go fuck themselves, too! cynatnite Jul 2017 #35

Democrats are fighting to preserve Obama's legacy. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #37

I meant Bill Clinton's. Sorry I didn't clarify that... cynatnite Jul 2017 #38

Legacies don't mean a damn thing to voters Kentonio Jul 2017 #64

same old tired bullshit Skittles Jul 2017 #41

A poll which over sampled under educated white independent males has hillary clinton unpopular? JHan Jul 2017 #50

Thank you! That helps to explain much. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #87

Many in the base have other thoughts Chevy Jul 2017 #51

K&R. Excellent lunamagica Jul 2017 #52

eloquent email. beautifully summed up... JHan Jul 2017 #53

Indeed. But she was called Chevy Jul 2017 #54

gosh.. JHan Jul 2017 #55

A complete shill no doubt Chevy Jul 2017 #56

perfect grammar in the email too.. JHan Jul 2017 #57

Pure elitist n/t Chevy Jul 2017 #58

Great! betsuni Jul 2017 #59

Damn! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #88

Excellent romana Jul 2017 #89

Trump brings Clinton up in hopes she will take the bait delisen Jul 2017 #60

As much as I like Hillary I can't ignore the exit poll Awsi Dooger Jul 2017 #63

What's the national exit poll? lapucelle Jul 2017 #79

Bill and Hillary have always played hardball politics Kentonio Jul 2017 #65

Are you actually defending him? BainsBane Jul 2017 #71

Clearly. Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #80

"A better deal" was made to suit progressives .. JHan Jul 2017 #91

Yet we see all of that ignored BainsBane Jul 2017 #92

And controlling how the message is disseminated is not the same as having no message.. JHan Jul 2017 #98

What that poll shows is the power of the GOP slander machine--in 2013 Hilllary was near 70% andym Jul 2017 #67

Why do you even care about her popularity? BainsBane Jul 2017 #69

Trump is running a campaign to destroy Hillary's brand. Hillary needs to make it UCmeNdc Jul 2017 #73

Schumer doubleplus ungood badspeak wrongthink Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #74

Yeah, and they are starting on Kamala Harris...why don't we just let the GOP pick our candidates so Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #75

She won the popular vote treestar Jul 2017 #76

Unpopular: sounds like high school. betsuni Jul 2017 #78

and no more relavent BainsBane Jul 2017 #90

how do you think elections get decided? nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #95

I guess elections get decided because Americans never grow the fuck up? betsuni Jul 2017 #96

62.5 million people who voted for Twitler certainly a data point for that proposition nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #97

How about we stop helping the GOP push their memes against Dems and HRC? nikibatts Jul 2017 #81

If the GOP has become an incompetent, deranged cult of personality. . . ariadne0614 Jul 2017 #83

She's not running f/ office again so why continue support? Panich52 Jul 2017 #85

She's just a convenient lightning rod/punching bag for the right and left Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #86

Is it smart to grab onto a lightning rod with both hands? nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #94

It's unfair to blast Schumer for something he DIDN'T say Jim Lane Jul 2017 #99

Schumer is absolutely right in what he's saying. geek tragedy Jul 2017 #100

In colloquial English, "you" often means "one" Jim Lane Jul 2017 #102

a lot of people say "but Hillary had plans for all of those concerns" geek tragedy Jul 2017 #103

To ensure accuracy... BamaRefugee Jul 2017 #101

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